IndyLab
30 June 2026
PM
11:23
Paul Martin Mooney
https://app.warmspace.io/s/GOyyo#p=0
GL
11:28
Gyuri Lajos
I'me in there sharing my screen
11:29
Got to serve the coffee that just got ready
11:29
back in 5 minutes
PM
11:41
Paul Martin Mooney
See you in 20
GL
11:41
Gyuri Lajos
zoom?
PM
11:42
Paul Martin Mooney
No. Warmspace.
11:47
I am there now if you want to be early
2 July 2026
BA
13:56
Bill Anderson
Paul Martin @gyuritrailmarker is there a zoom meetup today? I have a meetup on my calendar for 3pm Éire time.
A
14:05
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
Not yet I guess :) I’m alone there
BA
14:08
Bill Anderson
i got the timezone wrong for me (grrr TimeBuddy). I have it on for 2 hours from now. 14:00 UTC
A
14:11
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
Oké maybe the rest too ?
14:12
Son14:00 for you and 16/00 adam time ?
PM
14:17
Paul Martin Mooney
Dialogue 2.0 today at 3pm Dublin time. 1 hour forty mins from now. https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3639636669
BA
14:22
Bill Anderson
Looking forward to it.
ML
14:44
Michael Lennon
In reply to this message
Hope to join -- albeit 30ish min late. 🤞
PM
21:00
Paul Martin Mooney
Bill. What is your email please
BA
21:03
Bill Anderson
use band@praxis101.com
21:07
Thanks again, everyone (or as we say in Texas "y'all") for the discussion. In addition to moving ahead with trying things out I think there are several threads of thinking that I want to explore further (some of which, for now, I do not agree with, or maybe just do not understand).
21:48
Alan Kays last line of his talk. The video starts with says it all
GL
22:12
Gyuri Lajos
Structured idea processor
Notation processor
22:13
23:50
PM
22:13
Paul Martin Mooney
I’m watching. David Bohm was also abandoned. So curious that we humans are not ready for our saints still
GL
22:14
Gyuri Lajos
Yes
PM
22:15
Paul Martin Mooney
the saints still come though eh?
GL
22:15
Gyuri Lajos
It's much worse than that.
22:15
In deed
22:15
Like redeemers
PM
22:16
Paul Martin Mooney
yes. Re deem = re think
22:16
actually think not thunk.
22:20
The mouse is a girl 🧒!!!!
🤣
ML
GL
22:21
Gyuri Lajos
The Greeks held that the visual arts are imitations of life
While the computer arts are imitation of creation itself


If you can imagine it formulate it in reasonable terms it can become REALised
22:21
Yes
PM
22:21
Paul Martin Mooney
Real Eyes. Yes.
GL
22:24
Gyuri Lajos
Instantly responsible
PM
22:37
Paul Martin Mooney
Gyuri. Did you ever meet Doug? Or bill English?
GL
22:43
Gyuri Lajos
No
PM
22:47
Paul Martin Mooney
Wow. He calls it recorded dialogue. What we spoke about today
GL
22:48
Gyuri Lajos
I did meet in a call Jeff Rulifson in 2018 who created the command language interpreter the heart of the system that became Meta III then MetaIV
That got classified. I did reinvented much of it for my PhD by research two decades later
22:48
Yes
22:49
There is a video with Engelbart and Rulifson visiting Google in 2007
22:53
Engelbart calls in generalised document I call it universal qtomorohic hyper MEMEpleX document the for the personal first interpersonal MEMEX Vannevar Bush
22:56
22:57
Recorded dialogue
22:57
49:50
PM
22:58
Paul Martin Mooney
Wow. Re Verb Oration. It’s linguistic. Speaking new spells of action words
22:58
it’s all f*cking magic !!!
22:58
GL
22:59
Gyuri Lajos
PM
22:59
Paul Martin Mooney
I’m tired. I gotta sleep. Thank you all.
GL
22:59
Gyuri Lajos
Thank you for your Care
PM
23:00
Paul Martin Mooney
23:00
We are not even born. We are incubated inside a cosmic spider
🤯
ML
23:01
take mushrooms and watch the stars join in a web that wobbles
GL
23:03
Gyuri Lajos
PM
23:03
Paul Martin Mooney
Liquid brain.
23:04
My AI gave a beautiful mirror. I sent it to your email.
GL
23:06
Gyuri Lajos
Will check it out tomorrow
GL
23:24
Gyuri Lajos
23:25
Dialogue
23:38
Trail generation Bush
3 July 2026
GL
12:41
Gyuri Lajos
This was a great project folded two years ago. Ostensibly because of AI nobody would need Tools for Thought. What a non-sense, specious lie. https://newsletter.squishy.computer/p/noosphere-a-protocol-for-thought
12:41
If you live by VC Money you die by it
8 July 2026
GL
20:30
Gyuri Lajos
20:30
PM
20:30
Paul Martin Mooney
Beautiful.
20:31
I’m testing cam’s tool. It’s wonderful just even for myself. Even annotating is a pleasure.
20:31
You must test it dear prophet
GL
20:42
Gyuri Lajos
I'll annotate the recording of the call tomorrow afternoon after morning Opus est orate
PM
20:43
Paul Martin Mooney
Silvio gessell collection. Class 1. I’m there as Mú.
GL
20:43
Gyuri Lajos
Ora est Labora
👍
PM
9 July 2026
08:22
IndyWeb flips the prevailing paradigm for the Web and it embodies the ideas that chaacterizes metadesign
🙏
PM
GL
11:58
Gyuri Lajos
Nearly a year ago when IPFS was still not working as envisaged I was xplorimenting with constellating the indyweb version of hyperpost.co to be powered by Peergos. The experiment showed that Peergos on its own won't do https://hyperpost.peergos.me/%F0%9F%8E%AD
🙏
PM
PM
12:16
Paul Martin Mooney
Keep on keeping on. Dyson had over 5000 experiments. Edison had tens of thousands. There is one configuration to configure them all. Ride on Gandalf
GL
12:20
Gyuri Lajos
I characterize the work not just experiment but as an instance first exploratoration of adjacent possible experiences metadesign adjacent affordances that constitute an experiement Failures always shows the way towards a sweetspot that is jus above the threshold what is trully required
🙏
PM
PM
12:20
Paul Martin Mooney
GL
12:36
Gyuri Lajos
I see myself more like Samwise Gamgee. The White Wizard was Engelbart
PM
12:42
Paul Martin Mooney
12:42
Go Sam
12:44
12:44
Me Frodo
GL
13:01
Gyuri Lajos
That's more like it, thank you
GL
15:52
Gyuri Lajos
Needs to be checked
GL
16:34
Gyuri Lajos
GL
Gyuri Lajos 09.07.2026 16:28:33
https://ipfs.indy0.net/ipfs/bafybeidwvtgcindrf4e4e5f6k2ewja2wc7xw6mynus446mpwm7xzllakae
16:34
may take quite a while to load. the file itself contains huge screenshots as daa image and hypothesis takes a while to load in addition
16:34
It only takes 10-20 seconds for hypothesis embed.js load but next time a page with annotation embed code will be coming from cache
GL
16:38
Gyuri Lajos
now that via.hypothe.is is restricted need to load hypothes.is/embed.js the first time 20 seconds
16:39
There must be a better way. Working on that too
16:41
The above page is too big, it has all the screenshots as data:image so it is over 100 mb
GL
19:26
Gyuri Lajos
Experimenting with archiving substack posts https://hyp.is/-oA3Znu5EfGfvde1ZJp2Rg/substack.com/@velitchkov
19:28
for this link to work 1 nneds to be signed up&in with hypothes.is and substack
19:28
page not on that page carries the link
19:28
indyweb
16 mins ago
💻/thinkpad/🧊/me/📓/2026/7/0/9/do/archive/linkandth.ink/archive/
posts-by-IvoVelitchkov@Substack@2026
continuin with experimenting with capturing feeds
Hypothesis does a good job with this monster
19:31
that does not require 1 to sign in to substack but still requires 1 to have a hypothesis account but that would work across the web without singing in on all personally archived pages which 1 get access to only through personal connections and messaging like here.

So with one signup hypothes.is 1 gets admitted into the Indy Learning Commons

The goal is to switch to what I call Innotation. Given that everyone has access to the shared record they can incorporate their own(ed( copy into their own IndraNetWork Spaces and highlight any text and add a link to their own(ed) notes which in turn provide a gateway to their own(ed) indranet works spaces and can engage in peer to peer or hub to peer or peer to hub conversations
19:32
Before I read anything I make sure I personaly archive the page on IPFS so I have a better chance of returning to the page and related work
19:34
substack does a good job but this way one can have it even if substack is taken over and the therms and condition change, as it always happens, That is the logic of VC funding. Or worse still it is shut down. Or just censored as it is happening at scale already in Europe
19:39
that does not require 1 to sign in to substack but still requires 1 to have a hypothesis account but that would work across the web without singing in on all personally archived pages which 1 get access to only through personal connections and messaging like here.

So with one signup hypothes.is 1 gets admitted into the Indy Learning Commons

The goal is to switch to what I call Innotation. Given that everyone has access to the shared record they can incorporate their own(ed( copy into their own IndraNetWork Spaces and highlight any text and add a link to their own(ed) notes which in turn provide a gateway to their own(ed) indranet works spaces and can engage in peer to peer or hub to peer or peer to hub conversations
19:40
It is high time to nove this conversation to a bette place
19:41
Working with Peergos and CryptPad and Telegram will help us to bootstrap a better alternative to all of them integrated and make sure that anything we do can be added to these with much less effort as it would require onl sharing links to spaces where the real conversation takes place