IndyLab
16 December 2025
23:53
This is where Peergos excells
23:53
1 can create a secret link to a folder and open designated file
23:53
in aview
23:54
when 1 closes that view other related files that are also viewable by the recipients of the secret link
23:54
Better still it is live so if the files or the content of the folder changes the link will always show its latest state
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JW
23:55
Secet link to folder and open file
17 December 2025
00:05
should get something like this
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ML
00:08
brave search
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ML
GL
12:09
Gyuri Lajos
performance is beyond expectation, incredible. Please confirm that the link works https://bafybeibvzy5zmy2q6yf3rzhhv5nxk74il7aikfn5wubh6duwiit6mgnhxa.ipfs.dweb.link/?filename=2025-12-17%F0%9F%A4%9D.html
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ML
19 December 2025
GL
11:58
Gyuri Lajos
Chrismass is round the corner. Last day of school,,. No more getting up at 6am for a fortnight. Trying to get things into a meta-stable state so it can be resumed later. while doing that I revisited work I've done a month or so ago
12:00
I did have to republish the right folder using the right IPNS key.
12:01
I have also tested it successfully via inbrowser.link which means that IPFS is running in the browser on demand in a service worker, so no more need to rely un centralized community supported servers like ipfs.io or dweb.link
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JW
12:08
This is what was promissed in July, the promise lnd of the Post Gateway world, In Borser direct retrieval of information needing only a browser and internet connection unbrowse.link
12:10
Read this one carefully. The above lis a proof that it works at least as far as creating andsharing document using the IPFS Infrastructure constellation for the IndyWeb!
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JW
12:10
🎆
12:16
Please confirm if it works. If you have IPFS Desktop installed please run it and monitor the status
12:16
12:21
there is just one more thing needed to close the first end to end first cycle in the co-evolutionary autopoietic generative spiral, make the editor save changes on IPFS itself with a single click, no more manual transfer from the IPFS powered indy0pad editor to the corresponding Peergos document then download that as a file and upload to IPFS in the right folder.
12:22
May even do it involving peersuite.space so that people can share their work so they can co-laborate on a document real time and publish the result of co-laboration powered by IPFS running within te browser in a service worker.
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ML
12:24
without involving servers/gateways, as with inbrowser =.link everyone runs their own IPFS gateway. That may be too much to ask, I'll endeavour to make it work relying on an IPFS Desktop that at least on participant need to be running.
12:24
That is the Dao of the Indyweb
12:30
All the key technologies needed to birth the ipeer to peer, interpersonal, permanent people centered web were backed into the browser a decade ago, Service Worker, WebRTC, local-first storage. Even IPFS alpha shipped 10 years ago. I remeber it well, Well worth watching it again.
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ML
12:35
Just add this Big Idea to the mix and the IndyWeb will grow out of it all https://hyp.is/83ea6CFyEe-v_mfeelmFGg/www.youtube.com/watch?v=pspy1H6A3FM
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ML
12:37
That is the Open Secret Sauce
12:38
Trouble is, People people do not just believe they want to beliee, but see only what they want to see. This is why words fail, if you do not have it in you the words will not register.
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ML
12:40
Code Wins Argument because it can render ideas ready to be experienced through lively multimedia inter actions
GL
13:23
Gyuri Lajos
Did require one reload. Document failed to load first time round
ML
15:07
Michael Lennon
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☝🏻still timing out
GL
15:14
Gyuri Lajos
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Try again pleas refresh
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ML
15:19
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Thumbs up means it worked. This is the one that runs "the gateway equivalent" in your browser. That is the most important one we need
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ML
GL
16:14
Gyuri Lajos
some of those links must have worked then
16:16
Using two laptops concurrently helps
ML
19:49
Michael Lennon
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"....when that happens you know what we should do? PULL THE PLUG!"

Only then? What if that is already happening and we dont know?
21 December 2025
GL
14:13
Gyuri Lajos
It already happened 6 7 years ago. I remember the headklines. #when Meta pulled the plug when their AI allegedly developed ints own language and started to communicates through that between its nodes
14:19
should give something like this after a breief ulsing IPFS ShypYard Logo green Cube
14:20
then after a refresh
14:22
If that would work that would open up new pathways towards accelerated convergence
14:24
If you fail first time, try and try again. It is not a sign of madness if you try the same thing, when failing try and try agian. It is never the same I try but with some adjustments. That is the way towards making the impossile inevitable.
14:26
The whole point of IPFS developing novel way of making the web work, to lock the web open, was not to fight the existing tech, but build an alternative, that can cpomplete it, and rendering the bad parts obsolate, abandon ware
22 December 2025
GL
00:59
Gyuri Lajos
GL
Gyuri Lajos 19.12.2025 12:30:49
All the key technologies needed to birth the ipeer to peer, interpersonal, permanent people centered web were backed into the browser a decade ago, Service Worker, WebRTC, local-first storage. Even IPFS alpha shipped 10 years ago. I remeber it well, Well worth watching it again.
GL
00:59
Gyuri Lajos
All the key technologies needed to birth the peer to peer, interpersonal, permanent people centered DECENTralized web were baked into the browser a decade ago, Service Worker, WebRTC, local-first storage. Even IPFS alpha shipped 10 years ago. I remember it well, Well worth watching it again.
01:02
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I have also tested it successfully via inbrowser.link which means that IPFS is running in the browser on demand in a service worker, so no more need to rely on centralized community supported servers like ipfs.io or dweb.link
01:07
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This is what was promised in July, in that post about "The Post Gateway World", In Browser direct retrieval of information needing only a browser and internet connection unbrowse.link
01:10
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My most recent experiments with using inbrowser.link using ipns opens up new vistas.
01:18
Using inbrowser.link instead of dweb.link is the way to go for sharing IPNS links to share information on the DECENtraliszed Web by individuals without servers or any other technological hoops to jump through., allowing people to act as IPFS nodes, as local-first IPFS gateways, the do it yoursefc dweb, DIYDWEB thanks to the use of inbrowser.links. Leverage that to empower people to be autonomous nodes on the personal first, interpersonal IndyWeb. Using ipns module in helia and combine that with inbrowser.link is th elast missing piece of the constellations that is needed to save and update share information on the IndyWeb using IPFS powered constellations
GL
01:37
Gyuri Lajos
I discovered helia-ipns as I changed the way I lay out information in IPFS Desktop and the way I generated ipns keys. Was researching how to export import IPNS Keys from IPFS Desktop and discovered that I can use ipns helia package to use meaningful keynames whcih is essential for the IndyWeb. Interestingly, this feature was only added to helia ipns 2 months ago. Last month IPFS Desktop started to work as it was intended as I wrote about it before.
01:40
Use helia to save infomation in named context (oring TrailMarks trails as names for folder trees) and update the associated IPNS on save. And that ability can be added to any IndyWeb Custom App!
01:41
as part of the IPFS constellation
JW
04:48
James Wong
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Did not open for me on mobile
05:01
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This is what I got on mobile
05:03
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Got a blank screen on mobile
GL
12:15
Gyuri Lajos
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Thus kind of link needs to be openned in a browser so just clicking on the link will never work, because it is not accessible via Telegram being in the loop
12:17
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I think I need to have at least one of my laptops turned on for these links to work. That is a second order question. To act like an indyhub, the goal is to avoid the need to run our own dedicated gateway, will see it is possible
12:21
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Interestingly it opens even if 1 just clicks on the link on Telegram. The same is not true for peergos sandbox links. Need further experiments
12:30
keep track of current work as I am fontinutiong with ipns constellations and aspire to setup for development via agregore
3 January 2026
CB
12:24
Charles Blass
hi everyone and happy new year for those who believe in the gregorian calendar ❄️☯️💫

glad to see activity here, look fwd to tuning in in the next phase

popped up today, i didnt know the long origins of POSSE ++ "indieweb"
https://indieweb.org/POSSE#
5 January 2026
GL
11:04
Gyuri Lajos
Boldog new year to y'all. The Hungarian word means blessed as in blessed are the meek and joyful at the same time.
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ML
11:06
It is right it should be so 
Man was made for Joy & Woe 
And when this we rightly know 
Thro the World we safely go 
Joy & Woe are woven fine 
A Clothing for the soul divine 
Under every grief & pine
Runs a joy with silken twine 
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CB
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ML
11:11
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Indieweb has been an inspiration for Indyweb with the explicit goal of creating commons based peer produced constellations for OmniOptional born interplay able infrastructures that lock the web open in autonomous autopoietic coevolutionary permanent evergreen people centered individual/collaborative info-communicative-affordance networks as the indyweb for the benefit of the participants. Do that with zero friction and barriers of entry. Local first
11:19
via. hypothes.is is slated to be sunsetted next months so all my efforts this month will be devoted to creating an alternative so that people can migrate their annotations to their owned IndraNet.work spaces
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JW
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ML
11:21
The constellations needed that enable people to own their own annotations and any other they care about even if the original service is not available
11:27
Via: Auguries of Innocence by William Blake - Poems | Academy of American Poets
https://via.hypothes.is/https://poets.org/poem/auguries-innocence
6 January 2026
13:59
It kind of solve everything and it is not a hyperbole
14:01
The trouble is it takes 1 to recognize the 1
7 January 2026
GL
12:15
Gyuri Lajos
Documents are saved in meaningful folder paths explicit names official contexts as index.html files in Peergos and similarly on IPFS
The folders are used to maintain verifiable to stamped records of sharing with a local unique id associated with the sharing
GL
12:37
Gyuri Lajos
indyweb
(edited Just now) 16 mins ago
Public
on "/indy/index.html"
(bafybeig3hpaa7l7clax4rau3temikwbzixvnx4qkqjspsgszfxnmhcr3jm.ipfs.dweb.link)
edges
cheating/squaring zooko's triangle



DECENTralized is decent but not enough Need interpersonal verifiably named people \ resource \ co-laboration networks the IndyWeb.

use names that are acnhoed in the petname of the person sharing the resource!
12:38
make the impossible inevitable
We Can Have It All

similarly CAP theorem purported impossibility can be turned into its corresponding inevitability
12:39
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Juan was right
12:40
The point about Protocols is that they open of new worlds of possibilities.
12:45
Don't fight the system, designed to limit human potential by construction, but build an alternative that renders its obsolate. As Juan said in one of those talks, all the ideas that are built into IPFS were around the time the Web was created, the could have been baked into the the web but somehow it "just was not". It would have had locked the Web Open from the start, much harder to be exploited by "providers"
12:46
To be fair, Centralization did provide the financial incentives to make the network grow. But now that we have it, time to swap out the bad protocols with an alternative. As Juan also says, do it in a way so that the User does not have to switch, it alll works as usual it just does it differentlt.
12:48
Low latency implies low autnonomy. In the early days high latency gives us high autonomy. But when the networks grows een latency will be better than what could possibly be providd by the cloud. It will be a virtual cloud.
9 January 2026
GL
10:15
Gyuri Lajos
Peergo+IPFS+Hypothes.is InterPlay
no more dependence on via.hypothes.is!
10:16
Can start closing hundreds of tabs!
10:22
me now IPNS link
10:24
Let's hope it works
10:25
previousl I relied on hypothes.is annotation and the acto of annotation created a reverse chronological listing of documents I worked on
10:29
I had now started to archive all documents created saved from the web in an IPFS folder linked to myslef called me (the universal pseudonym for individuals first person object pronoun) dedicated for archiving and in a chronolarchic folder structure
GL
10:47
Gyuri Lajos
Need to add now the canonical url the indyweb Indyvidual bound Universal Resource Identifier name individual/communities
13 January 2026
GL
12:42
Gyuri Lajos
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started closing literally hundreds of tabs accros half a dozen browser profile on two laptops. Using existing interplayable inter personal/planetary/peergos constellstions publishing in the open primed for hypothesis annotations
13:32
Please let me know if it works or not
13:32
One giant leap towards real closure
ML
15:36
Michael Lennon
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1st attempt timed out.
2nd attempt -success after logging in
GL
15:38
Gyuri Lajos
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Thank you very much for the feedback
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ML
GL
23:50
Gyuri Lajos
continued experiments
23:51
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since hypothes.is is embedded in these documents and a card is associated with any annotations so we can use the hypothes.is card link as a way to share and indyweb virtual link
14 January 2026
GL
09:07
Gyuri Lajos
https://ipfs.tech/
16 January 2026
GL
09:55
Gyuri Lajos
prepare fr lunch
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ML
GL
09:55
Gyuri Lajos
PN
Parmjit Nahil 15.01.2026 21:54:34
Is this a helpful protocol for Indy web? https://substack.com/home/post/p-182213843
GL
09:55
Gyuri Lajos
GL
Gyuri Lajos 16.01.2026 09:00:07
Thank you Parmjit for the heads up. Looking forward to checkout Simon's latest synthesis
09:55
GL
Gyuri Lajos 16.01.2026 09:25:07
This would server as a nice minimal viable exemplar of autonomous open commons based interpersonal networked co-laboration on the nmargiins

ia mutually benefitial interplay between the web as is and the indyweb
09:55
There is a lot of final tuning needed, but if you have hypothes.is browser extension installed we can start working on it real soon
19 January 2026
20 January 2026
GL
12:52
Gyuri Lajos
experimenting with IPNS Keys
12:53
Successfully published under the key:
/💻/asus/🧊/♖/hyperpost/~/indyweb/📓
k51qzi5uqu5dkz0r74zg5yd4g8j3kfo08td4htqrfp8ebu3x17pil37zuulrzk
Copy the link below and share it with others. The IPNS address will resolve as long as your node remains available on the network once a day to refresh the IPNS record.
GL
13:08
Gyuri Lajos
Personal salient inter planetary named mutable folders as storage for salient named personal storage conplexes
21 January 2026
GL
10:36
Gyuri Lajos
climbing the mountain
10:39
Rely on inbrowser.link, IPNS for the app Indy 0Pad and ipfs for the CID of the document to be shared
GL
10:58
Gyuri Lajos
trying this to share a document using its content identifier and inbrowser.link that gets the document from IPFS for editing with Indy 0Pad. One can make changes and eventually shared back the modified document via persuite.space or saving it to IPFS and create link with that new CID
11:00
When 1 saves the changes to the document a popup wold inform 1 about the size of the document saved
11:00
reload the browser page to see tha inded the changes you made had been saved indeed
22 January 2026
23 January 2026
GL
18:16
Gyuri Lajos
I have started integral development of the seed for the IndyWeb that integrates half a dozen long term eplorimental threads into a coherent holon
18:19
need to copy the link and open it in a browser. The way links are handled in Telegram prevents it from working
18:23
I wanted to do this working in the open way to developing Autopoietic Open Commons based Peer Produced infrastucture constellations for software that is Open S(o|a)u(r|)ce software for
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JW
26 January 2026
16:50
I do everything in accordance of the Tao (The Way) of the IndyWeb. Much of it manually, as a way to pin down in instance first exemplars what needs to me developed and then turn the examples into functioal work flows https://ipfs.io/ipns/k51qzi5uqu5dgbb7ivfscw95jb8zh8n2roliqvb5ri1kw974tjf7fn6281ppgt/%E2%99%96/indy/%E2%99%96-indy.html
16:50
Everything I need to be able to do that is at hand!
16:51
I can do everything I need to do to create Hyper Plexed associative naighburhoods of documents that capture the conplexes of required focal attentions and act on and through them
16:52
Document the way as I create it
16:53
exploratory articulation rely on the PUN that anything that is described in structured documents powered by TrailMarks can be turned into running softwrae
28 January 2026
ML
23:32
Michael Lennon
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23:32
Timed out. 2nd test sec to 75s produced following
29 January 2026
GL
07:54
Gyuri Lajos
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I published only the tree for indy indyname from my asus laptop 💻/asus/ 🧊/♖/indy
https://k51qzi5uqu5dm9g6q2l275rmato8ce47dz8cn4di3nglvgpjqd93p2rubxv5t3.ipns.dweb.link/%E2%99%96-indy.html?p=%F0%9F%92%BB/asus/%20%F0%9F%A7%8A/%E2%99%96/indy
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ML
08:00
Let's hjope the last one will work reliably
08:41
then checkout my annotations as indyweb
ML
22:47
Michael Lennon
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👆Success!
22:49
Off-topic:
A friend said she cried watching the Bruce Springsteen video released today.
https://youtu.be/GDaPdpwA4Iw
22:51
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I reminded her that in several wisdom traditions songs and tears are prayers the Gods hear more clearly.

"May all tears be heard by the GreaterThan and woven towards Beauty.

🫂💚👍🏻"

The same way we hope all digital footprints will be woven into greater Consciousness....
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GL
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c
30 January 2026
GL
13:11
Gyuri Lajos
Looks like Split View is working in Chromium based browsers like Brave
Split view perfect for surfing and annotating the web
13:12
You can clikc on links and open it in the other split view and keep doing that to and frow. Better still each tab has its own history so you can flip back and forth betwen the pages views
13:12
I always thought this feature may land one day
13:14
combine that with vertical tabs and you need never need to do that kind of sophisticated browser support to be baked into your app
13:14
vertical tabs in Brave
13:17
since IndyWeb Pages are themselves are lively pages creaing workflows accross them is trivial. This is because alll IndyWebApp share the same virtual cloud infrastructure that can run anywhere, locally, even in development servers anywhre on the net yet thay can all interplay not just interoperate across indranet work spaces
13:20
Had a great sesion with Parmjit . Not a demo, but started using the first working seed capabiity on the IndyWeb, the seed for the IndyLab itself. So no need to prepare demos just start connecting and co-laborating via the IndyLab as it grows
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ML
13:23
Better still. I am using Peergos and IPFS Desktop together and the custom version of peersuite.space already integrated into IndyLab to actually bootstrap IndyLab. All this is possible because the interplay between and across holonic components of the IndyWeb care not where they arae comming from, IPFS, or even development servers runnng on localhost
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ML
13:25
It allows tweaking and developing new capabilities live in one window and a local server running a local web server within VSCode, where I work on the entire infrastructure as a holon comprising other holons with seamless interplay, locally and on the web, (IPFS) so I can make live changes using vanilla web technologies, Open Constructs ad the creator of peersuite.space refers to his work
13:26
I knew it will be easy, once all the required infrastructural elements are in place, and a new Way of working is developed
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ML
13:38
started doing searches in hypothesis without designating my user name as a fillter. Many of the things that are most inspiring my work have very few annotations. a Good example is the work on the lively kernel https://bafybeibn6jkjwe67dck2rdnozpqy33lzn67rkafc26acgvs3jrexibhtvm.ipfs.dweb.link?filename=faceted-lively%2Bkernel.html
13:38
It is such an important work, yet simply fallen by the wayside
13:39
Clearly, in computer technology the Worse is always better. I no longer wonder why.
13:48
Flipping the Web requires flipping the vey ways it is developed. Everything we are doing in this space is simply back to front. Gratiutous complications. Separation of concerns leads to inabikity to integration. We had micro services vs the moniolit approach. Both are wrong
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ML
ML
17:33
Michael Lennon
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☝🏻timed out
31 January 2026
GL
08:21
Gyuri Lajos
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thank you for the feedback
GL
11:53
Gyuri Lajos
closing a few browsers
2 February 2026
3 February 2026
GL
13:17
Gyuri Lajos
I've been cleaning up large files from my gmail account. Found this screencast from 2014 showing turning exploration of FreeBase the original Knowledge Graph and generating Google docs from Mindgraphs. these kind of Threeway roundtrip from Web Research to MindGrph and documents is one of the key affordances, but do this without reliance on Cloud services and do it in an a born co-labortive sPerson-first social interPlanetary InterPersosnal IntecCommunity setting with evergreen permanence with full provenance
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c
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ML
13:18
WikiNizer Research Linked Up Challenge entry demo
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ML
ML
18:14
Michael Lennon
Tarot used in OpenSource Governance? What does mythological magic have to offer co-regulation of technological transitions?

https://www.colorado.edu/lab/medlab/2024/11/08/change-cards-governance-transitions-open-source-communities
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GL
5 February 2026
PN
09:32
Parmjit Nahil
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I happen to have this at hand which may help answer that! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqP6IX4U8Wc
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c
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ML
9 February 2026
11:15
One little thing that runs on your computer
11:17
Offline first yes permanent evergreen inter personal planetary.
11 February 2026
GL
12:14
Gyuri Lajos
Thanks @YarrowLove for sharing this. I remember ink and switch then. Met them at Fission Talks. That was a long time ago. I did explore CRDT, OrbitDB had it built in, except that was not quite what is needed. Still
12:14
looks like we hawe a dweb.link and even ipfs.io outage
12:15
Please confirm if this works at all
16 February 2026
GL
16:59
Gyuri Lajos
Over the past week I've been doing lots of experiments. Had a great call with Gien and Christopher on Friday.
got to a point of convergence worth noting here
17 February 2026
18 February 2026
GL
13:02
Gyuri Lajos
Searched for an AI icon generator no signup and got this
GL
13:23
Gyuri Lajos
AI Icon Generator (free, no sign-up, no watermark)
GL
20:15
Gyuri Lajos
started a major integrations phase 4 days ago:
20:16
On ThinkPad Indy 0 Wki Note Plex Pad
20:21
Switched back to Asus Development Machine today to continue with the integration and consolidation of the Naming Scheme for TrailNlazers.
20:25
gone back to using IPNS, but developed the naming scheme to enable both options, rely on IPFS or IPNS interchangeably, o indeed Peergos. This is omni optionaility in practice!, integration of concerns,
20:31
The above video also demonstrates the ease with which browser capabilities, like vertial tabs and split view enables complex work, use the browser as a Shell for interacting with born interplayeable affordances. Insteaad of each app Like FeatherWiki done it
20:36
FeatherWiki provided side navigation, you could make it work. The content 1 created there could be reused in other Web apps. Structured organization of information was passible but it created its own enclosure
20:37
With IndyWiki any page can be presented by and morphed and maniulated by any other App. Interestingly the data model in feather wiki is very simmilar to MindGraph, it relies on Local Uniquie IDs and JSON, but it was not designed for Open Interplyeabiity as MindGraph was
20:39
Another common practice needs to be Flipped. (Everything we do is the dual of what is really required!)
20:42
When it comes to purposefo=ul morphic presentation, creation and curation of information in purposful forms, we have Apps that sale the data in formats, that are not accessible to any other app. Flip that make the ionfo-structures as first class objects using a universal autopoietic format that can be the same across all apps and each app provide its own unique intentionl preesentation interactive affordances but at the bottom using a format that any other app can process!
20:44
Complexity reduced by orders of magnitude! Better still information is captured in a form that itself is co-evolvable and future compatible, because the structure is part of the content, and the intendeded presentation logic, and morphic processing itself is using the same universal format. That is HomoIconicity of LISP reinvented without the Lots of Irritationg Single Parenthesis.
Insead of programming, need to acquire the skill of creating Rich Text with TrailMack Clue In Line notation using capable rich text wysiwig Editors with rules of formulations. Much easier thanp rogramming Language Syntax. Easier than LISP itself.
This is the way Simonyi's Dream about the End of Proramming Languages can become true.
Systems, universal capabilities like the Browser, at least for now, will need programming langues,but the path will open to recreate computing systems from the ground up with 1000+ reduction in complexity and code size. This will be is because it will be software will be coposed of holons, by construction every unit can interplay without limitation with anything that the other components creates, because they all use the same Information Structuring and Presentation and processing capabilities
Nested stuctures are created as ordered HTML Lists that are easy to create and manipulate through morphic intentionally transparent forms, that rely on the pun that a doument descibing the intentded processing and interactions can be interpreted to interpret, process, present and interact with the infor structures thus formulated, as easy as editing a Rich Text.
. No separation of content and format, all content is created in a universal format hat itself maks the information malleable, reusable, repurposable, extendible, exaptable
20 February 2026
GL
19:46
Gyuri Lajos
figuring out how to create IPNS Publishing Keys that are part of a Universal Resource Naming scheme that will be amenable to the PUN to be interpreted to actually retrieve the so named record. This scheme relies on IPFS and IPNS and adds invites people to create key names that names the machine that they use to hold the key on
followed by the path of the folder they jave on their local IPFS node IPFS Desktop
19:46
then a dsah and 4 or five charcters taken from the end of the Public key that is generated for that name
19:47
This picture illustrates this
24 February 2026
ML
08:01
Michael Lennon
Hi, been more absent than I would like from this thread. Still, this blog on network nations and anchoring to place in a pluralistic manner I thought would interest some of you - particular @gyuritrailmarker whose quest for "universal digital footprints" centered on & in service of the person seems to align.

https://open.substack.com/pub/omniharmonic/p/the-infrastructure-of-belonging?
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Gyuri Lajos
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Thank you Michael infrastructures omni optional plural are key to belonging indeed
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Yarrow Love
Will this replace the internet? - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJt-x-0Jci4
26 February 2026
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Charles Blass
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yes
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all about co-inquiry
27 February 2026
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Gyuri Lajos
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Thank you @YarrowLove for sharing this. Will be keeping a eye on it learn about it. Sounds very promising
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@andybaldman4 hours ago
“In a world where the cost of answers is dropping to zero, the value of the question becomes everything. ”
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20:25
Tastes like better understanding
20:26
Tether words to reality
20:26
Information rich wisdom poor
Lack of real
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Bliss point
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Addictive is the product
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Overfed and undernourished
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Sedantary mind
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Disoriented
Pacify sedate distract
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Build the discipline ourselves
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First pass discipline
Unplug! Drop in to your own flow
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True relevant
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Attention
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Usefulness
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Three filters
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3 March 2026
ML
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Michael Lennon
@gyuritrailmarker you connected to this person?
ML
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Michael Lennon
T
Tereza B. 02.03.2026 15:18:50
We don’t just use digital systems. We live inside them, and most of us have no say in how they work. 🌐

Jarrad Hope on building privacy-first infrastructure that gives users more agency.

https://x.com/FundingCommons/status/2028474413134364683
GL
16:52
Gyuri Lajos
Not yet. Privacy first infrastructure sounds promising.
ML
17:10
Michael Lennon
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I don't know them, but saw them mentioned within a "FundingTheCommons" conversation and thought I would pass along the information.
GL
17:11
Gyuri Lajos
Thank you
4 March 2026
GL
10:09
Gyuri Lajos
Back in business after a really bad bout of flue that took down everyone in the family. Took longer than a week or seven days as they say
10:13
The latest technological monkey wrench that perturbed the emerging instantiation causing major refactoring, relates to https://hypothes.is/search?q=ipfs+phishing
10:21
I've been liberally sharing ipfs dweb.link s, knowing full well that it is but an exploremental stepping stone. Something that can give immediate value, but not quite there. Especially, since from the outset the vision was to make all links anchored in trusted indy web identities, and domain names. Regarding the use of domain names, DNS links, IPNS links, the assumption was that all such links are temporary, not guaranteed to be permanent, nothing involving the domain name system can be, (it is a research question whether unstopable domains are really unstopable) even if they were, we need something that ultimately is acnhored in trust networks of individuals
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10:23
Clearly what is needed is to share entry points that are permanent, evergreen and caan be trusted through verification and by construction
10:29
for the moment I propos to rely on a web ring of trusted DNS based links, such as those afforded by infrastructures like Peergos, Cryptpad and services like hypothes.is and telegrm for starters. Add to this IPFS gateways, like ou own ipfs.indy0.net and existing owndomain names . The idea is tht close colaborators will also form a web ring, and create their own DNS based setup, which in yturn provide independent entry points to the indyweb. So the greater the IndyWeb network grows the mor oprions will be abavailable to access .resolve indyweb infrastructure resources mediated by domain names, that in turn identify individuals who are responsible for the sharing and only through that autonomous voluntary itrusted and verifiable intermediation will links be created and shared
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10:32
All this lead me back to revive interplay with cryptpad. Also looking for ac onstellations where permanence is guaranteed by IPFS while trusted access is facilitated by Peergos and cryptpad. While for personal work (and close family and friend networks) Peergos is a good storage infrastructure, for the IndyWeb itself the aspiration is not to have to rely on these services for storing content, because, as services like peergos.net and cryptpad.fr are themselves not guaranteed to be permanent, but can be relied on temporarily as Trusted domains capable of sharing links to permanent distirbuted virtual named web/cloud resources and services
10:33
This is another fundemantal question that I recognized 4 yers ago as 1 that needs to be resolve in the long run. Looks like I am getting close to do just that
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10:34
The reason I wrote all this here because I need to restore continuity of work, which itself will take a day or two,
10:35
No cloud based service can ultimately be relied upon
10:36
Thi is why we need Virtual Autnonomous Permanent evergreen Cloud micro software as services tat the IndyWeb as an alternative infrasturcute can provide
10:38
Let's hope cryptad comes back improved by the time I am able toresume develoment work
ML
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Michael Lennon
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Hope you feel better 🤒
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5 March 2026
GL
11:54
Gyuri Lajos
Iny0Pad setup at /indy0/Pad is now available for hyperpost peergos name
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ML
11:55
This is possible as I shared the fodler for it with hyperpost friend account
13:06
This is a nice examplar of deep intertwingularity of concerns. In a way back in November last year I've been gravitiatin implicitly towards developing a systematic way of pinning, symbolic names for personallly controlloed IPNS Keys tht have human readable unique names that only the author is able to create/resuse/resolve
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13:07
sensing into and blazing eventually complete multihop critical trails/pathways across adjacencies that are sensed into as all being needed
13:10
Trailblazing as eventually completed pathways to wads realizing tacit intent complexes
13:16
running local IPFS nodes on multiple owned devices and pinning services under individuals' control leads to combining the need for pinning naming and even private resolvability. We can setup separate complexes of named paths and link them to IPFS resources. Even if the resources are all publically available, the real value is in the connections that then=msleves provide permanent ways for verifiable attributions while preserving full control by the athor. Develop networks of resources that are amenable to meaningful naming and and private retrievability
8 March 2026
9 March 2026
10:14
Need to log in to hypothesis to see this
10:14
This may just be waht we need!
10:15
Still experimenting wtith links to IndyWeb Trauils, ConPlexes and networked pages
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ML
10:16
dpcment todos on the marking in context or rahter conPlex
GL
10:37
Gyuri Lajos
Give away the entire blue print for how they did it
GL
12:44
Gyuri Lajos
Pieces that are needed to create Personal Decentralized Web Archives of Annotated Pages interconnected via two way links that Mark browsing/research/learning Trails by TrailBlazers that are intentionally transparent, forming emergent dynamics associative complexes ready to be shared and explored and build upon scaling mutual learning, synthesis and reach
12:48
The notation and the infrastructural constellations are joining up into a chorent holon
12:48
autopoieic
11 March 2026
GL
10:55
Gyuri Lajos
interplanetary in-browser mutual learning networks
GL
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Gyuri Lajos
inter-planetary_people-network_browser_peer_learning_mind_scpa
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https://perchance.org/ai-icon-generator: inter-planetary people-network browser peer learning mind scape
ML
17:27
Michael Lennon
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Looks like someone has discovered a new way to visualize.
Dream away! 😉
GL
17:36
Gyuri Lajos
harnessing LLM's capacity to hallucinate, just use it sparingly, better than searching fo stock images
17:37
digital diary browser web note pad daily entry
13 March 2026
10:37
Can now use annotation margins for capturing ideas in context so that they are findable via hypothesis searches, linkeable, and in fact trans/in-cludable in relevant future con(t|pl)exes
10:38
Thanks to the a new answer to the age old question: What's in a Name, which now includes reTRIevabiulity, re-purose|sumability
10:39
Creating a novel practical synthesis of all the ideas, ways and means I've been experimenting with over many years, under the Peergos/IndyWeb name indy0
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with its matching domain name indy0.net and Public IPFS Gateway ipf.indy0.net
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Pinnning on my Zen laptop
17 March 2026
ML
15:21
Michael Lennon
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Timing out. Changed from 30 to 90s, timeout persisted
15:22
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👆Success!
GL
17:34
Gyuri Lajos
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Thank you. It should have worked first time. This is a custom gateway I pay $20 a month to pinata
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19 March 2026
GL
08:24
Gyuri Lajos
This one look like the most able open source/sauce/embeddable video player I've come across https://hypothes.is/a/BhuPjiNkEfGi1Z-A_YKmvQ
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able player
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💻-gou9/thinkpad/🧊/me/📓/2026/03/20/eekim.com：%20OHS%20Launch%20Community：%20＂OHS-Like%20Tools＂%20%283_19_2026%2010：38：42%20PM%29.html
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💻-gou9/thinkpad/🧊/me/📓/2026/03/20/eekim.com~OHS.Launch.Community&OHSS-like.Tools/eekim.com：%20OHS%20Launch%20Community：%20＂OHS-Like%20Tools＂%20%283_19_2026%2010：38：42%20PM%29.html
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The above is an example of a Universal InerPlanetary Resource Identifier that is human readable and instead of depending on a centralized domain registration mechanism relies on a symbolic name of an IPNS key that can be resolved only by the creator of the resource
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ML
23:09
The above is an example of a Universal InerPlanetary Resouce Identifier that is human readable and instead of depending on a centralized domain registration mechanism relies on a symbolic name of an IPNS key
23:24
on annotation margins I used the real IPNS but now replaed it with an IPFS CID for the resource. Thus the symbolic path can be provide contextual qualifier information about the associative neighbourhood. While the 1 that creatd or owns the resource can access the entire context
23:33
Use IPNS if you wish the resources to be crawled y search engines and digested by AI
23:35
I is possibl eto ensure that pages shared would conmtain additional links that cannot be crawled or accessed without establishing inter personal connections
21 March 2026
GL
07:50
Gyuri Lajos
new version of IPFS Desktop is out
07:50
file search capability added
22 March 2026
23 March 2026
GL
10:04
Gyuri Lajos
requested this site to be added to via.hypothes.is long time ago https://via.hypothes.is/https://abuseofnotation.github.io/text/
10:04
a seminal web page is like a thing of beauty is a joy forever
24 March 2026
GL
19:02
Gyuri Lajos
Beware of the Cat
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ML
25 March 2026
09:58
At long last comming to a full circle. Inter.Personal/Planetary.Web.Archiving meets self-documenting work so from now on I need only to share links to hypothesis annotations that provides self-docuentation for an autopoietic exploratory epermental work
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given in replies to earlier annotations
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better still, when using faceted searches like this hypothesis can give me a way to retrieve a reverse chronological at a glance listing of current work
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better still, when using faceted searches like this hypothesis can give me a way to retrieve a reverse chronological at a glance listing of current work
10:06
faceted search for recent annotations gives reverse chronologicl listing that itself can be saved
10:29
The above is a good way to shre such annotation links. take a screenshot of the page showing the annotation and add the link to the annotation as image text
10:30
So that's the way to do it when uing telegram. !4-IndyGramDesign
10:30
Now I can close a lot of windows that were around since end of January!
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ML
10:35
In fact this provides a way of closing tabs while ensuring findabiity and resumeability of work!
10:36
Teetering at he limits of the machine soon will be over
10:44
At long last comming to a full circle. Where
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10:56
Using webui.ipfs running in the browser to work with file resources aking them inter personal/planetary permanent

https://hyp.is/-kJOKigvEfG8O6uojeRvJQ/webui.ipfs.io/
28 March 2026
30 March 2026
13:06
I must have shared this one before. This one is still one of the best there ever was
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ML
13:06
It is so rich,
31 March 2026
GL
09:25
Gyuri Lajos
Getting close to closing the strange loop between interpersonal permanent coe-voving attributed documents and associated conversations linked to annotation margins.
I think I have all the pieces needed to close the generative spiral loop that makes it all possible
09:26
Think of it as two copolas join at their base forming a globe a closed finite surface that can expand
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09:26
and contain many such strange spherese as holons itself forming a holon
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ML
09:31
integral omni optional holonic co-evolutionary emergnet meta-design Rocks
13:32
working in the open in creating the plumbing needed to get these conversations going
ML
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Michael Lennon
Congratulations @gyuritrailmarker
If one were exploring "inter-AI'ing" conversations/inquiries, there is a question of whether (and what kind of) digital footprints are stored through Hypothesis? in the proprietary "notebooks" of the AI platforms?

Any thoughts on which AI-platform path is most "indy-friendly"?

In the case of "Team Hospicing Modernity" they felt they needed to build their own separate AI silo
1 April 2026
GL
13:11
Gyuri Lajos
Thank you Michael I'll write a note on that question. Will share soon in a form that allows indy Conversations
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ML
13:17
May have shared this already. It helped ti crystalized my thought related to the question related to use of AI that is compatible with indy values
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@andybaldman4 hours ago
“In a world where the cost of answers is dropping to zero, the value of the question becomes everything. ”
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ML
13:20
I have the sacred rule never chat with no AI.
Indyweb was designed to be surveilance resistant and not open to harvesting by algorithmic actors. An antidote alternative to big tech
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ML
13:22
I access YouTube without signing in and blocking history. Before I did that over half of my feed consisted of AI spiritual poisoning nudges
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The more you study spiritual writings the less you are able to maintain your personal connection. I believe in Wu Wei its not about doing nothing but be mindful of what you engage with. Do what you feel called to do. Just follow your heart mind and soul
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Michael Lennon
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You have shared this. It is fantastic.

Adoption of AI reminds me of mobile phones --sensibly resisted by many who know the value of presence and life free of phone-based intrusions -- yet the utility of some aspects of mobiles are too useful to resist.

Re-shaping our individual and collective relations to the tech is where I believe there is fertile dialogue and learning. I call this hybrid collective/connected learning frontier --CO-PARENTING AI and want to safeguard "human intuitions for coherence with Life" from technological & technocratic excesses.
Make sense?
3 April 2026
GL
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Gyuri Lajos
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Sure it does. But I would add three of my most cherished life informing ideas Spiritual Reparenting as a labour of Love: Understand to be understood - Maria Popova of Brain Pickings rebranded as the Marginalian
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09:48
An0ta search
4 April 2026
ML
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Michael Lennon
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Not sure what this means, but love it! 😅
7 April 2026
12:06
MindDrive/Graph Experiment integrating WikiNizer Research with Freebase Google Drive and Google Search 2012-14
Mapping Propositonal Trails to Graphs. A limited conception of what is possible. A network thinking/learning tool that goes beyond Propositions and support emergent communities of Autonomos TraliBlazers Across the Web as envisaged by Bush in the Memex . It had fallen short of the Sweet Spot,, the one just over the threshold that is required. Getting Real close now
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10 April 2026
ML
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Michael Lennon
It won't be long @gyuritrailmarker before the world is racing to be your friend

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/22/us/politics/quantum-computing-encryption.html?
GL
20:04
Gyuri Lajos
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I am not so sure. As ever I have deeply contrarian views and never belief the hype. I envisagred the IndyWeb to be viable relying on ephemeral encyption keys. Security is guaranteed by the wy the network is grown and constituted. This proposition is way more likely and imminent than Q day.
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20:08
Best thing. If I can think that up, many who think about it could. It is the esence of mathematics. It can b learnt or foigured out once you intent to find the answer. Problem like this, especially in the digital world (effective computing) define their own solutions.
It's like the bet UI for scorlling lists on a mobile device. In vein did Steve Jobs announced with glee "Boy did not we patent it"? you cannot patent solutions like that. And if you do only fraduleng lega process would be able to uphold it.
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20:12
All is needed three things. Imagination, take ideas seriously, and persistence driven by deeply felt need and intent to do something about it
20:13
Many things commonly regarded as impossible then suddenly turn into inevitabilities. I should know I done it. If I can do it, many others will be able to do much better then I can. between 2018 and 2022 while I had lots of engagements in the DWeb space and InterIntellect Augmentation circles I met acouple of young people third of my current age who understood/figured out in a couple of year months much what it took me decades. I was 20-40 years ahead of the curve. The problem I worked on 45 years ago everybody senses it. Even Christopher who was very sceptical when I raged against facebook decades ago recognizes what I've been on about
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20:21
The imending collapse of the "Worse is Better" ethos is hapenning right now!
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As far as I know Peergos is built with Quantum /resistant Encyption. We need solutions that does not even rely on encyption keys at all!
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20:39
That's possible as long as one relies on ephemeral keys. Take that idea seriously and you will find a solution
20:46
I've come by this meme "thinking as an organ of perception" doing web.search
20:50
I listened to tens if not hundreds of hours o Steiner lectures many years ago for years. I resonate with his vision. The other day I learned from an amzing talk in Hungarian that Steiner was Hungarian and started elementary school in a Hungarian shcool. That talk also claimed that Rosenkranz himself was Hungarian. Well I would not be surprised. My ideas totally home grown and lived experience chimes in nicely with the idea of hearmind thinking (I would add imagination itself) is an Organ of Perception and a way to connect with many things I do not have good names for, only many candidates, but when it is held as nameless that when it opens up to you
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20:54
I learned form Hungarian poetry this so I did not ever dwelve into these https://hyp.is/kqX1ljUOEfGOWWtcEqXW5Q/magyar-irodalom.elte.hu/sulinet/igyjo/setup/portrek/jozsefa/tudod.htm
13 April 2026
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Michael Lennon
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Thought you might enjoy this vision "Reframing Legal services into networks". The last couple of slides show infrastructure assumptions. Do you see compatibility / bildspots / objections?

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/bffa20ure2ek0dk3h89yl/Regen-Legal-Network-Dave-Hodgson.pdf?rlkey=4puimprf73bqz177u7whmxzb4&st=b7mf6jm4&dl=0
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14 April 2026
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Gyuri Lajos
instance first exemplar of doing all development in the browser. Instead of a separate IDE where all the sources are accssed fron the file system and we have a separate version control tool
lay out all the necessary information in lively folders (setup like Peergos where you can develop Custom Apps right in the browser, be in the context of the named app
Developing that further such that the app is delivered through IPF(N)S the static parts and the souce that may need editing is hosted on Peergos ehre it can also edited
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On the left I have the source code shown and editied and delivered by Peergos and its built in Web Hosting capability while the app is invokde via ipns in this case
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So I have the nodeI actually working on in the left side of a split view when the changes are sved all I need to do is to reload the right tab. That is about the complexity of devlopment work flow that I am comfortable with. Creation Curation of all the necessary information, documentation and the code are all in a single conPlex forming a coherent complete eventually consitent and workable neighbourhood that is intellectuall and intentionally transparent instead of stup 1 can just focusl on the organization layout arrangement of the info morphic structures and develop them instance first exploratory experiments
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I always wanted to hav this, dremed about it literally for years, and the Dream is now REALized
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This is local focus first development
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Programming languages are constituted with Primiteves,means of combination and means of abstractions
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This software as a conersation prroceeds by having complex infrastructure that allow seamless attention flows and universal simples possible development workflows
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creating arbitrary complex holonic components that are born interplayable by construction
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simple uniform ways of working that are Universal and carried out in ways that make refactoring complex changes simple and organic. The way you conceptualises the task can have revolutionary impact on the productivity of what you do. By making the development of novel morphic information flows and interactions simple, holonic, and readily composable at scale we can empower netizens to learn to do it for themsleves
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10:50
Build on existing work tinker, etend, exapt, reuse, reshape it to meet their needs. Since all the conceivable infrastructural constellations themselves can be developethrough open collaboration thorugh such open source, open sauce, and Open ways that are easy to emulate compellign to do.
15 April 2026
GL
08:54
Gyuri Lajos
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all development sarts with formulative imagining and thinking reaching into the potential,
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practicing/living the Dream
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That's my take on "Dreaming Awake at the End of Time"
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or times?
08:58
Search engines with enhanced capabilities of exploting the power of manifest associations are good at surfacing specific ideas and linking them to autohor
Now imagine a world where the search will also surface entry points to creators adjacent MEMEpleX
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Better still allow conversations that are continuous without needing to be synchronous in a Shared Dreaming Awake Creative Interpersonal Spaces
16 April 2026
GL
08:08
Gyuri Lajos
?
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ML
GL
09:09
Gyuri Lajos
A great manual workflow for auto-archiving web research
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ML
10:57
Looks like I got a premium account. Should really be a supporter at some point. I got in touch with them 6 years ago. Soon it may be time to resume the conversation
11:04
just installed my paid Awesome Screen Recorder I am not sure I take the bonus
GL
12:29
Gyuri Lajos
shifting away from Peergos hosting (further)
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ML
12:29
shifting away from Peergos Web Hosting
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and rely on IPFS for permanence
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Use Peergos Webhosting as a way to distribute apps/and capabilities mostly
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since peergos website hosting is anchored in identies of the creator like indy.peergos.me
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and the links there are all links to the permanent web
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Envisage many alternative ways to distributing such links ot resources and apps
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even on annotation margins and social networks posts (via hyperpost that itself will have hyperpost.via.XXXX
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where XXX is a social platform with possible deep interplay
12:32
Using Are.na and Hypothes.is as a way to establish personal connections mediated by the service, and evolve it into trusted direct personal connections without mediators. People will not need to go to services to connect but can have all the capabilities for connections and conversations and colaboration and in deed follow each other's output Anywhere on the web from their owned spaces
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Interplaying nicely with existing Open services will be of mutual benefits. Both Hypothesis and Arena offer apis and services that enable interoperability and people can gain control over their web presence. The same does not apply to most existing exploitatie social networks.
12:41
The original IndieWeb vision of POSSE Publish Online syndicate elsewhere will work for the IndyWeb but in addition it can be flipped, instead of just syndicating elsewhere, provide links anywhere else to allow people interested in 1's work to visit 1's owned indranet spaces and engage in conversation, following without intermmediaries
12:49
the goal is to reach a point where both hypothes.is and are,na to begin with will accept identities, presence established on the IndyWeb as a way to create an account with those social network services
12:51
for the time being we can use accounts on thee services as shared publically available web identities to seed the indyweb and make ue of those communication channels in the course of onboarding to the IndyWeb.
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As it is, a creating a hypothesis account empowers public threaded asynchronous conversations to be conducted tha can be used to establish direct connections and conversations. That is not necessary but can be beneficial to rasing the visibiity of the Indy Network itself
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I use my indy Peergos account for facilitating access to IndyWeb info creation/curation capabilities and use the indy0 Peergos account for capabilities dedicatd to sharing via networked communications, forget block chain we need peerchain and the ability to blaze trails in information space and have conversations around them in autonomous networks created by the people for their own(ed) benefits
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20 April 2026
GL
15:40
Gyuri Lajos
GL
Gyuri Lajos 20.04.2026 15:27:40
"From Content Creation to Context Creation"
https://wiznerdnet.substack.com/p/enter-the-interbrain?utm_medium=ios#:~:text=From%20Content%20Creation%20to%20Context%20Creation
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associative complexes, conplexes, beyond text and context, with intentionally intellectually transparent Symmathetic Conversations. Very nice. I prefer externalized interintellect as opposed to interbrain. It is open coomons based autopoietic autonomous peer produced coevolutionary constellation. Looking forward to being able to interplay with it. Thank you @lovevolv did the sharing
GL
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Gyuri Lajos
The original post by @lovevolv
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17:17
Gyuri Lajos
Had a major showstopper regarding Peergos Yesterday. Exploring alternatives to save Peergos and the IndyWeb itself, went back to the OrbitDb Matrix Channel.
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It is suddenly pretty active and others are attracted to it with the goal of building their own vision that is much like the IndyWeb
17:17
Eidetica
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The github project started about 11 months ago. It goes with Rust and iroh, still learning. But the best part is that I can now blaze research/learning Trails across the Web with permanence and ever green resume-ability with full provenance, and anything I read is archived personally on the Permanent Web with full provenance chain and eventual incorporation in symmathetic mutual learning trails
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Shifting the bulk of my writing to own tools. Peergos is still there for encrypted storage, and the ability to share via *.peergos.me links. HOME BREW tools that anyone not only can use but BREW IT further for themselves, and integrate with other born interplayeable constellations
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In about a year's intensive work I managed to reach the storage limit that £36 buys for a year.
I will use IPFS and gateways for bulk archiving unencrypted storage and or ephemeral in transfer encryption with something like Pinata.cloud
It w gives you 1 terra byte for $20 a month,
but the best part is that now it is offerring free pinning of IPFS resources 500 files up to 1 Gb.
That is sufficient to get people to try out to be W(e)awing their own personal indy networks or collaborate with community/perzonal IndyHubs for free for ever, or indeed become their own(ed) hub with $20 per month infrastructure costs that does not interfere with their Autnonomy
17:34
eidetica is also building with OrbitDB.
Because it also provides full control on connectivity between devices, it may be the IndyWeb itslf can run with that
17:37
I only read into it 10 minutes so far and followed two links but my impression is that there my well be 80% overlap, confluence, consonance in the design approach and core values between eudetica and the IndyWeb/Net/Verse
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local first and people centered autonomy
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One line reflection on the Liminal Web.

Really like it, it is, if I understand it corectly, a multiplayer, dia/multilogical networked tool for thought. IndyWeb and Trail Marks, as did Wikjnizer aspired to do all that on the InterPersonal Interplanetry born Multiplayer Interplayable Web,
I 2012 we also envisaged Concepripedia

Not as a centralised service but. Emergent through interpersonal connectivity.
Piloted use of graph databases but resized that no databases could suffice. It really needed something like IPFS


but also concerns itself not just with the sharing of Thought and conversations but aims to provide commons based peer produced autopoietic co-evolvable integral omni optional omni future compatible interplayeable co-creatin of the ways ideas are researched, refined, explored constructed formulated in the first place. colaborate not only on sharin and understanding products of thought but assist in the creation support of processes, affordances tools needed to facilityate the process of growth of symmathesy itself,, E(X) ternalized Augmented Human InterIntellect
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Another ambition is to bootrap constellations needed to make all uch and adjacent tools and networks to be not just ntroperable, interplyeable but wowen into a coherent whole scaling salience significance and reach and human potential
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Nice to see this evolving forward. I did not know that opencollective could act as a blog.
I look forward to revisiting his path and learning/ inter-learning from his example.
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Format notation representation for interoretability is indeed key. That's the role of Trail Marks in line mark in notation its explicit intentionally transparent structure designed to be interpreted as people deem fit. But it needs infrastructure built with protocols like IPFS that addresses naming storage that produces verifiable permanent names for ever present permanent data means of construction and interplanetary unstoppable unenclosable open distributed universal Crud mechanism
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Location independence
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The same named named immutavle bundle of data can be incorporated anywhere within any Directed Acyclic Graph. And via IPNS we can provide immutable cryptographic ally secure names to mutable data
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That is practical magic
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I remember it well. Seen early sketches of this when it was forming. Its like ptolemaic model of the movements of the planet. I was sad to see it. There was a comment on this. I annotated it. Just to give the right signal what had to be deleted.
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It was stating if you get the vision of the network right
Make it people centered not just centralised there will be no need scope for devising a decent social network the network itself would become born social built from trust for trust. Oh and it would not be a standard with many implementation it could be seeded once and let it grow OmniOptional tinkerable lively
22:47
I will dig out an early talk of Juan Benet why IPFS is the Key
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Michael Lennon
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Not using obsidian, but considering whether / how to migrate from Evernote. Could attempt to create a "Me2we2all" extract from which to build. Inevitably any extract would be imperfect.
What have you been using as a Digital Brain?
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Gyuri Lajos
I used WikiNizer Research a networked thinking tool years before Roam.
From the outset I realized that integrating Web research and annotation and conversation creating self organizing associative complexes with two way high resolution intentionally transparent interpretable links over the web is needed. So I keep building and using it. For the last six month I added personal archiving web searches and every page I look at and writing down ideas trigerred in the expectation that I'll be able to turn all that into a mind plex or an a people centered multi player social interest based externalization of co-laborative inter intelect network connection people ideas and interests

Notion is good. But I realized
23:07
Wrote a seminal paper with a friend from high school articulating the initial vision. I'm at a stage to be ready to show how from that seed the Indyweb grown as a way to realizing that dream.
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This year I use brave search and saving results in my dweb.personal.Archive the search results and annotate and interlink all and started linking Indy Wiki pages to the annotations and soon will add threaded conversations and a way to add. Coversations
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It was billed as a next generation Personal Knowledge organizational tool
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But withe indyweb it will be an engine for mutual learning understanding to be understood collaborate and form dedicated communities of practice in autonomous open Co. Mons the indy learning common
Realizing conceptipedia
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So instead of using Evernote obsidian or anything a tool you go to to do networked thinking writing all that comes to me and available on every page I choose to visit on the web
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Flip everything we do and rge way we do it then it will be what is required just above the threshold the sweet spot.
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It all works with manual steps each and everyone of that can be automated in small increment l formulTuve steps
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Flip the slogan: get it right first time

Get the IT right first then getting it right will be easy
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Once the instance firs exploratory first cycles are work vle by hand and you can articulate formulate the process than write the functions right where you are and doing it
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'Tain' t what u do but the way that u do it that's what gets result
Yeah 29 (49) year old bet
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Autopoietic intentional workable formulations
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Flip separation of concerms
Integrate them in the way you engage in the required workflow
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I never failed but tried ways that did not work till I find the one that works
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Thing that works, like beauty is a joy forever
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I learned three years ago, from another Buddhist monk, the secret that enables Gien to talk to a dense slide: "don't prepare the words prepare the feelings.

This one works for me as long as I write down what I feel and do it often.
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Lately I realized that formulations I like may not capture the feeling they awoke, so instead of repeating them I try to express the feeling the awake
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This one worth a deep listening
21 April 2026
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Gyuri Lajos
sorry this is the one I meant https://via.hypothes.is/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skMTdSEaCtA
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the key idea is distributed, not just DECENtralized. distribute + People Centered
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Gyuri Lajos
After the linitations I ran into with Peergos yestrday I am considering using cryptpad sharing of documents as self describing entry points to launch pages which also establish a secure private pseudo identity for any visitors with the ability to send asynchronous messages. Well suited to links on annotations which in torun could be used for onbarding to the indy0.net
09:10
My profile on Cryptpad
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as the message says great time to get a cryptpad paln with 50% subscription.
09:13
Cryptpad is one of the few cloud apps that would require no sign up and sign in with peoplw who so paid for the service.
09:15
As long as I use pages shared to anchor conversations on the Indy0.Net that imay be a good way to go
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Gyuri Lajos
looks like it might just work
24 April 2026
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Gyuri Lajos
CB
Charles Blass 20.04.2026 15:10:54
https://open.substack.com/pub/wiznerdnet/p/enter-the-interbrain?r=108vo&utm_medium=ios
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Gyuri Lajos 20.04.2026 15:27:40
"From Content Creation to Context Creation"
https://wiznerdnet.substack.com/p/enter-the-interbrain?utm_medium=ios#:~:text=From%20Content%20Creation%20to%20Context%20Creation
08:57
associative complexes, conplexes, beyond text and context, with intentionally intellectually transparent Symmathetic Conversations. Very nice. I prefer externalized interintellect as opposed to interbrain. It is open coomons based autopoietic autonomous peer produced coevolutionary constellation. Looking forward to being able to interplay with it. Thank you @lovevolv did the sharing
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Gyuri Lajos 24.04.2026 08:19:06
do signup/login with hypothes.is and y'all can join me in annotating this post of real significance. Note that that I had added thebody of the post into my open persona web archive. Open to engage in open conversation as our mutua symmathetic learning journeys. And REAL Soon (Always Imminent, but this time may just be IT) we can continue the conversation in our own(ed) indranet works spaces
08:57
hypothes.is annotation of a page Personally archived using SingleFile browser extension https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/singlefile/mpiodijhokgodhhofbcjdecpffjipkle and saved in my own locally running IPFS Desktop
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IPFS Desktop in action. All this involves some manual steps wowen into coherent intentional workflow ready to be automated.
Not Getting IT right first time, but Getting the IT right first. Then shipt it at last, ship it often effortlessly. ith permanence, future compatibility, co-evolvability, commons based perproduced permanent, unenclosable, unstoppable, local-first, autnonomous
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and here is an ephemeral link to my today's personal web archiving folder https://k51qzi5uqu5dghqlnkqsvdowitesjgdadio9rr84ohr2pymxov1jtczi6mipdp.ipns.inbrowser.link/24/
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It runs IPFS node in your browser
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click on the first linl
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can annotate
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Even if the original post disappears or the service get's shuts down, or gets enshittified we have a permanent record of the page, with annotations themselves archived and the associated conversations will be preserved within the creators/participants onwed Inter Planetary Personal Play Spaces
08:57
That's one of the oldest of my dreams of beauty had ben REALized, at long last
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09:24
Gyuri Lajos
bonus feature. I managed to use SingleFile to capture the currently visible portion of a Telegram Channel and archive it https://bafybeibjorxplhg3fjwpayglh5hzuo3gkikzbmxsptcma7pnxmwdxsyoiq.ipfs.inbrowser.link/
09:29
Now that is a real unexpected present for my 'Name Day' Gyorgy/Gyuri in Hungary is celebrated on the 24 th of April according to Wikipedia in England it is the 23rd https://hypothes.is/a/GLvEvD-vEfGcykdrRL4IpQ
09:30
I always had the ambition to be able to select a contiguos portion of any Telegram channel and personally archive it so it can be annotated and shared and conversed around
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09:32
The key feature of Telegram that promised it to be possible is that Telegram, wisely, is engineered with web technologies so it has a variant of it that runs in the browser. After all Telegram was engineered to be a local-first App!
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16:58
Michael Lennon
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Stunning! Thank you Gyuri and Charles ☀️
17:01
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Do you mean "externalized interintellect" as a label or there is another tech?
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17:02
Gyuri Lajos
as a label. Name for the tin. Shortest way to articulate the purpose of IndyWeb, /trailMarks, MEMEpleX etc
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Inspired by this for the name. As Christopher would say another "bloddy Hungarian" His life's work is dedicated to Michael Polanyis "Personal Knowledge" He is writing a book coversing the work of Polany, Pirsig and McGilChriss"
17:06
Augmenting Human Externalization fo their InterIntellect or something along these lines
Gyuri Lajos invited Bill Anderson
Gyuri Lajos invited Paul Martin Mooney
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Paul Martin Mooney
Landed. Blessings to all
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I took a Gyuri word and made this…
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18:41
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very nice, thank you Paul Martin "Emergent Whole with Implicate Order" 'cause eventually everything, People Ideas and communities of practices connects Articulate, Formulate, externalized through intentionally intellectually transparent connections. Where these connections become the key to Quality itself, refelected in a coevolving Map of symmathesy, mutual learning, whre that map IS the territory. and the message is shaped by the medium and the participants in symmthetic conversation, and the medium itself is shaped by the participants in commons based, peerproduced constellations, with permanence, autonomy, networks of trust.
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Gyuri Lajos invited Teun van Sambeek
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Paul Martin Mooney
Gyuri can you invite Josh
25 April 2026
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19:43
Gyuri Lajos
I need to connect to him first on Telegram if you can tel me his telegram handle
Gyuri Lajos invited Wendy McLean
19:54
Made a few small modifications to the original IndyWiki Rich Text Editor so that it works very much like the Peergos Custom App CK Editor. Also figuring out how can I do development tinkering extending in a new way that reduces the complxity of development workflows
19:56
make the work visible open and integrated into the conversational over web isymmathetic conersational/work flows
19:59
Flipping the focus away from software artifacts that can be turned into money generating products to Intentional Software as an open, commons based peer produced constellations benefitting the participants in the conversation. after all Software is a symmathetic conversation fisrt and foremost. Open source is not enough we need open sauce, and enable people to contribute for their benefit not the aggregators
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Next step is tur turn the Rich Text Editor into a Rich Associatetive Complex editor. Beyond Context we have ConPlexes InterPlanetary unenclosable unstopable discoverable where conversations can flow in interpersonal trust networks for the participants benefit, open commonsbased peerproduced permanent. But mos importantly with full provenacnce and recapitulable history so that everything is becomes readily resumable.
20:06
Flipping theWay of the Web. Do not go to places where you can do what you need, and loose control over what you are creating. But let all capabilities you need to come to you, to your Owned Space and Share with others at youc control. Control your contributions, control your destiny. Buld mutual connections and trust
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20:45
Paul Martin Mooney
blessings on your sacred mission
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26 April 2026
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13:07
Gyuri Lajos
Visiting Federation Wiki's matrix. so much sapient conversation locked up in a deeply dis-interoperable micro social networks.
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13:08
From now on I'll be "posting" in the called https://web.telegram.org/a/#-1002242430171
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and try to keep this group channel as a better curated flow
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27 April 2026
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10:41
Gyuri Lajos
One step closer to Closure
28 April 2026
GL
09:44
Gyuri Lajos
This is the end of the road. Hypothes.is now not available for youtube videos, either.
09:44
In 2007 hypothes.is launched as a revolt to services that can disappear any time and promoting interoperability and user autonomy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jTctBbX_kw
09:45
Now they are forced to discontinue their nost aluable service
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Paul Martin Mooney
AI will also soon disappear in its current form. The annotation is on the wall 🌀
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10:09
Gyuri Lajos
Last time something like this happened in 2018 when they shut down Google+ I was not prepared. For the past 5 years I've been developing the infrastrucure and development constellations that cannot be shut down. And indeed, got everything in hand to create an alternative. Would help if I could have a couple of helping hand at hand. Even that may happen sooner then we thinkg.
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Paul Martin Mooney
How can we help Gyuri
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Gyuri Lajos
Need to think about that
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11:45
Gyuri Lajos
My current manual workflow includes saving hypothes.is faceted searches for terms of interest. Using Save Page with Single File chrome extension to ensure that I can create a self contained copy of a page of interest, in this case my hypothesis annotation searches
11:46
Save this on IPFS using IPFS Desktop
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Use IPFS Desktop for all information of interest snarfed from the web
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11:47
Everything I can do with Hypothesis today eventually will be possible to do on the IndyWeb
11:47
Developing Hypothesis was quite a feat of engineering.
11:48
All that becomes much much simpler if we are prepared to Flip the view point. Local first, Personal first interpersonal trust based social networks, where everyone will be able to connect with the others who they know and trust. Instead of locking information at locations with centralized access, all information can be out there on the interplanetary file system but the connections and access will be under the control of the creator of any resource
11:51
If we can ensure that we have a copy of every page of interest saved in aour own(ed) personal permanent web.archive. It will be possible to share information and add annontations to these pages that can link to conversations on the margin that could grow from ther into threadd conversation and into a global giant personal first interpersonal social network of open mutual learning in the Commons (The Indy Learning /commons)
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11:51
These documents and annotations will never fade and the network connectiong people idreas and documents will always be searcheable, explorable by the participants
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AI and crawler's will have no access by default. Of course top slices or entry points can be shared on the Legacy Web and discoverable by existing searh engines and AI
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and here we have an "over Web" web annotation where searches across own annotations gets annotated
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Anoate Annottion searches to gather together that needs to be considered as a holon
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This link will only work if you have hypothesis annotation installed
12:20
Another reason we need a better alernative to hypothes.is itself
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this is what you would see
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If the information that you care to engage with is available via IPFS anywhere, along with the micro intentional services running in your borwser shared via IPFS, then you do not need browser extension to do anything you want with it. While at the same time existing browser extension will work with them.
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People need not flock to paces, sign up, sign in, lose control over their engagements, get tracked and surveilled, where services are available that they wish to make use of, but can come to them, to work on the information they care about and ensure that they have it available on their owned machines even if they are off line!
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indyweb
Just now
💻/thinkpad/🧊/me/📓/2026/04/28

personal.dweb.archive-search.google-surveilled

Description
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sureveilled
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Gyuri Lajos
This seriously cool. Anything worth coding is being coded. But who is doing the jo of integrating IT all with People at the centers
29 April 2026
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Gyuri Lajos
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whenever I hear the word use brain in this context I feel a violent revulsion.That very choice of words is a sign of deep seated wrong headingness pervasive in western culture
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Michael Lennon 13.10.2025 20:06:06
A reply from the DWeb (Vancouver) group
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Obsidian is a decent interface (I use it myself) - files and one app isn’t appropriate to build long term multi user app.
I’m hoping to have a plugin for Obsidian that works with the ATProtocol. Figuring out what format(s) can interlink many places is a good direction. --B. MANN
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Gyuri Lajos
Externalization of shared collective inter intellect inter Extellect for short
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Gyuri Lajos
https://www.youtube-transcript.io/
10:29
Now that docdrop and via.ypothes.is is turned off the above is a great alternative ready to use
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It even creates an account for you on the fly. currently it has a limit of 25 videos in three days and than it restarts
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This is what u get in the early days of s ervice
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Paul Martin Mooney
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Paul Martin Mooney
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Can’t get past login
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Gyuri Lajos
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Press login anonymously
11:31
Login anonymously nice innovation
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Paul Martin Mooney
Wow
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18:05
Michael Lennon
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Starting new thread? Keeping legacy links? How to “migrate memory”?
18:07
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Where do you think it is going? What do you believe will be retained? What lost?
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Paul Martin Mooney
we’re planning to put our own llm on our own servers. The cloud model is already bubbled. We will pass over all over knowledge and the link friendly llm’s together in cosmunity sweatworks
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The writing is on the walled garden
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Michael Lennon
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does this connect to Obsidian?
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Gyuri Lajos
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The genie is out of the box. Proprietary AI structurally will loose out to open source open sauce alternatives. The very desire of owning and controlling the thing introduce design constraints that limits its potential
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Obsidian is file based. As such it will be easy to bring it into IPFS and use it reuse it connect it to interplay be part of the indyweb. Not in a proprietary sense but ensure interplay multiplayer interpersonal scaling reach Nd synthesis. The essence of the indyweb is to pioneer such possibilities. Empower people to doit themselves for all
19:15
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I chosen Telegram because it is local first. Can export programmatically a chronolarchic organisation of all the messages shared exchanged and being to bear emergent capabilities for organizing and augmenting human inter extellect
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The trick is to create them in a form that makes them evergreen and lively. And bring others into the open commons based peer produced coevolving lively emergent owned
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Gyuri Lajos
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Toast
1 May 2026
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Gyuri Lajos
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https://youtu.be/epzzALZ8oYo?si=U4e-V-2lzThYv5FP
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5 May 2026
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Gyuri Lajos
https://www.youtube-transcript.io/
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Gyuri Lajos
I always thought the time will come when we can simply share any snippet of any video permanently, where the address will b permanent and would convey why that is interesting, and just play it
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Instead of coding, just figure ou the true name of what you want
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Constructing new Capabilities by Composing intentionally transparent names for Capabilities in the large
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This is what "Programming in the Large" aimed at byt could not deliver, because of a deep misconceiving ot what Programming, Progrmming Languages are about
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And it all boils down to a sentence I read i 1985 in John Allen's Anatomy of LSIP that ran like this: the advantage of computer languages is NOTATIONAL rather than Computational. It took me 41 years to REALize explicate in practice the implicate Reasonable order that statement entails, showing in practice the way of enfolding
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That potential of constructive potential for holonic unfolding in cyberSpace what I sensed back then when I encountered Bohm's work
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Paul Martin Mooney 05.05.2026 10:47:00
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Gyuri Lajos
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I hope the link worked
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The intentionally articulated co-evolving formulated order
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Paul Martin Mooney
Yes. Link works. Now what?
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Michael Lennon
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☝🏻 I get timeout errors. Resetting to 60secs does not suffice.
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Gyuri Lajos
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Thanks for testing. This confirms that need to pin it so it is available when my laptop is off
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This demonstrates that
People can
Archive permanently videos
Can create links that can be used to play any contigous segment
can create and share pages dedicated to threaded conversations around any designated part of these videos and in fact blaze meaningful mutual learning trails across and over the web involving video clips they wish to share

Do that with no coding needed as the capabilities needed will be available in the commons in form that they can tinker coevolve and improve together have conversations around them with a view to coevolve and extend these capabilities
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It won't be all there by tomorrow but hopefully I can show key components for it tomorrow.
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Gyuri Lajos
Use this https://www.youtube-transcript.io/ to get the transcript for the youtube video
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Use SingleFile browser extension on the youtube transcript page for the youtube video

Save the self contained page on IPFS

Create a CryptPad Page to bring everything needed onto the same page to work with the video the transcript an link pages for conversations around designated video clips

Create instance first exemplars for intended work flows manually. And when it all fits together experience what works up to a point explore adjacent desirable affordances create on the page appropriate presentations on the page, compose required orchestrating code enjoy extend rinse and reoeatt
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Oh and document what you do and how you do things in associated documents and especially how you did it manually and use that as a lively interactive Generative flow that advances the goal of realizing these intentionally transparent description leading to the formulation of things that work as explored and experimented with leading to eventually useful new affor Dances
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The key thing is that it is a universal emergent methodology

Where everything revolves around presentation flows workflows
Frees from representational concerns all that is handled by the framework once created always available to be used and continually improved kaitzen bootstrapping and practical work.
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Actually doing it in a way that separates concerns with what we wish to be able to do from infrastructural concerns as we can develop open interplayeable scaling infrastructures that are people participant centered in a born local first permanent evergreen cascading up scaling infrastructure constellations at increasing scales

1 person 1 machine 1 browser 1 profile local first browser storage local storage or indexDB as localforage or even WebSQL

Wikinizer was constructed with WebSQL that was then removed from the browser.
SQL is not what we need.
We need systems with interplanetary scale that is unenclosable unstoppable

Off the top of my had salient synthesizing overview of these scales

It is no longer speculation but is based on practical experiences gained in eventually successful experiments

This may be the last time I use telegram to jot down design ideas

1 person 1 device any browser across latest Internet linked profiles

Add ability to share via IPFS in a private network across 1 individual's own devices

Interplay with 1's own CryptPad accounts

Register for free with
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Gyuri Lajos
CryptPad. It's free and private. 🔒🆓 You do not need a mail or keep requesting a magic link ✉️🚫

You can have 1 account like that. 🆔 Terms of service does not allow creating multiple accounts ⚠️🚫

For secure private storage, communities can get a paid or self-hosted Peergos account and share named designated folders for the people they invite. 📂🤝🔐
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Getting too much into the weeds
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Higher level

CryptPad handles lively page sharing collaboration synchronous realtime and async messaging
Where the messaging is used to share links to stuff stored in Peergos or IPFS
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CryptPad needs to see active pages in a max 10 days time period window. All the documents touched within such window will be permanently archived on IPFS and/or Peergos
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CryptPad does not support search but Peergos Does.
So the combination of the two covers all the features that are above the threshold of what is required
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IPFS gives us permanence

We can put everything up there but manage the links and sharing and conversations in CryptPad and organization of all that information in private spaces Peergos
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Dream on.
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Gyuri Lajos
The future belongs to those who hold on to the beauty of their dreams. That was the motto for the Future of Text Symposium in Southampton in 2017. Had a chance to discuss my dreams with Vint Cerf who was there and supported the Symposium. Ted Nelson was there 3 years earlier.
The dream needs to be realized for it to become truly a thing of Beauty: a joy forever for all. the Other I's
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Gyuri Lajos
Version 1 🚀 – Lucide
https://lucide.dev/guide/version-1
7 May 2026
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Paul Martin Mooney
I recall you saying Gyuri that we are doing what we do to be On The Same Page. I wonder if OTSP be the protocol? Just for fun. 🤩
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It warms my heart that it resonates with you. I've been working towards this with tacit intent for so long. But once you can finds the words to ex press (after many unfruitful presses) IT
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That's the most important issue that needs flipping. It is so painful that by the way the web works forces us to scatter our attention across zillions of pages just splash it against our consciousness without ability to recall anything of that flow. Need to bring them on to the same page reflect refractor fashion them retrace them to scale sale hence significance synthesis
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Worse still forced to compound the issue by having to go to totally isolated pages to have access to affordances.
Indyweb facilitates the ability to bring the capabilities to the same page where we'll canbe together gather construct what we need the ways we need gather together
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ML
8 May 2026
T
05:50
Teun van Sambeek
Hi Gyuri (or anyone here). How do I start my IPFS journey best? I want to see if I can run the www.1coinh.com website here and store my substack (of which I got kicked off last week) articles in IPFS as well.
9 May 2026
GL
07:33
Gyuri Lajos
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Hi @teunvansambeek . I'm glad you asked. Sorry I was not online yesterday much. I'll be around. I do not have it all gathered togeterh. But mean to do that. Best would be to connect online, And record it so I can work on gathering and prioritising annotated resources and develop a symmathetic (mutual learning trail) Do ping me directly, and we could tak eit from there. The conversations wi had the other day convinced me of making this a priority task, /especially because to join the IndyWeb people will need to install and IPFS Desktop and learn how to use it to seed their on(ed) IndyWeb/Net/Indranet.work spaces
07:34
The best starting point is that video I shared in the call
07:36
developing a subsrack companioin/sidecar/alternative is on my road map. We could build that together real fast.
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ML
07:37
Substack has its own annotation conversation space, we would like to augment that with trully autonomous permanent alernatives/companions
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ML
10 May 2026
GL
14:00
Gyuri Lajos
https://bafybeig26duct5lo3pyywd2pjg5nipneusuqecw7vfc3uiabi57vpft4fm.ipfs.dweb.link/?filename=magyarorszag.mp4
lyrics in English
https://genius.com/Olah-ibolya-magyarorszag-lyrics
Cathartic Epoch rising Event in Hungary yesterday

A song from 2005 that marked the triumph of the left back then
Twenty years later the TISZA won. The event marking the first session of the new Parliament in the "house of the Country"
Where she sings "MagyarOrszag" it says Hungarian Country
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There's a country
Where I walked in my dream:
Hungary
Where I saw
My own face in yours
You were rich in embraces
And you were loyalty in true things
I'm guarding this face
Hungary!
I believe in my dream through a lifetime...
Hungary!
You're written into my heart
Hungary!
You're entrusted to my soul
Hungary
Now be the one to lead me
And help me with the things I have to do
Be the certainty inherent in tomorrow
I only entrust you my life...

There's a country
Where I walked in my dream:
Hungary
Where I saw
My own face in yours
Come on and finally once
When tomorrow rises
Be the one who waits me
Come on and snuggle me again
Hungary
I've been waiting for you for a thousand years...

Come on and finally once
When tomorrow rises
Be the one who waits me
Come on and snuggle me again
Hungary
I've been waiting for you for a thousand years...

Hungary!
If I walk on foreign lands
Hungary
With me even the road turns
Back to you home

With me the ancients ask you
To let me continue living in you
As they live inside me
Hungary
Get blessings of millions!

Be the certainty inherent in tomorrow!
I only entrust you my life...

Be the certainty inherent in tomorrow!
Get blessings of millions!
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ML
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people are invited to the square behind the "country's house"
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people walking on water in the ditch erected for te purpose of crowd control
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Olah Ibolya singing the song from 2005 that she did not sing for 20 years. The time has come with certainty when it can be sung
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Hungary's new prime minister and his third smallest son. In Hungarian Folk Tales it is the third smallest son that "does good and expects good" and gets it
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(Magyarorszag) Be in the Tomorrow hidden certainty, I only the life of mine entrust you with
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seen in your face my face
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New Day awakens
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blessings of millions fly onto you
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Blessings of millions fly onto yur
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Apparently visited 700 towns and villages over 2 years and 60 000 people joined their cicrles and participated
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ML
14:03
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Tisza is Hungariy's second main river. The slogan of the camaing was: The Tisza is Flooding"
But it is an abreviation of
tisztesseg Integrity &
szabadsag Freedom
14:05
Such a part name was registerred before. It all started with protest against a pardon given to someone who committed crimes against children in state care institutions
PM
14:07
Paul Martin Mooney
Blessings on the reclamation of your peoples from the archons. Blessings from Éirú
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ML
GL
14:07
Gyuri Lajos
That name for a party was registered before. It all started with protest against someone given a pardon who cimmitted crimes while in charge of such institutions.
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xx
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Xx
GL
16:57
Gyuri Lajos
In reply to this message
Really. Unheard of 😢
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17:04
Teun van Sambeek
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sorry, I cant read this message on telegram (some censorship it seems). Pls send it to my email: teun@vansambeek.nl
11 May 2026
ML
22:33
Michael Lennon
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This social bookmarking page (By Brad Degraf) is another example of desirable "isolated pages to which to have access..." (another knowledge silo). In its defense, the NAO community is a trusted one organized around Game B idealism.
Might be a good test case for mapping "high quality knowledge nodes" aimed at priming your evisioned social annotation space?

https://nao.is/public/images/BestOfNowHowTo.mp4
12 May 2026
GL
08:12
Gyuri Lajos
connected three years ago. IndyNao is till not there there
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ML
GL
08:12
Gyuri Lajos
CB
Charles Blass 16.01.2023 15:59:33
gentlemen!
let’s try here, to move things forward

Brad please update on latest thinking re: portable communities protocol
following plurality event and current convos/building etc

@gyuritrailmarker when could we see demo ?

@Gien_0 & gyuri, note that brad will be traveling on holiday from saturday through the following wknd
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ML
GL
08:48
Gyuri Lajos
showing links to my personal permanent web archive interchangeable using inbrowser.link and dweb.links
08:48
Hopefully both will work. I did not pin them yet
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick joined group by link from Group
ML
15:40
Michael Lennon
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👆Not able to see the 1st
GL
17:16
Gyuri Lajos
In reply to this message
Created sn indynao channel in 2023 in regnizing the synergy
13 May 2026
GL
08:56
Gyuri Lajos
The "no sign up" private first Apps Revolution is here
08:57
Free Text to Speech Online — Unlimited, No Sign Up
https://castreader.ai/free-text-to-speech
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ML
08:57
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10:38
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
Can you mind-read? I’m looking for an ai tool to convert SRT tekst ( subtitel ) to generate speech , than I stick it together again with the video , er voila :-)

I’m gonna test this later and let you know ! Thnx
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12:22
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
found some links - regret to admit - by Gemeni AI 🙂
GL
13:00
Gyuri Lajos
In reply to this message
Count on me as an alpha tester. I exchage I show you go to turn it into an evergreen indyApp
13:02
My friend is two thirds written his book and I like to listen to books for the past 15 years or more
13:03
Can't read without annotating either
13:07
The use case I care to create is
Download video
Transcript
Upload both to IPFS

Annotate/Innotate the text
Create clips/snippets to share video and associated text and comments and threaded linked conversations
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ML
13:09
Co-laborative videos
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InterPersonal sharing
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Make available video text any digital media along with the capabilities affordances (no sign up zero install) needed to own and engage with it privately together with each other
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History of all sharing is recorded for the mutual benefit of the participants
14 May 2026
15 May 2026
PM
11:22
Paul Martin Mooney
11:22
Sad but true service wishers not supported
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ML
GL
11:45
Gyuri Lajos
try to open the link in a browser. long press on the link on mobile then select share and then the browser yuo have
PM
12:10
Paul Martin Mooney
12:11
Got it thank you. Well done
GL
12:47
Gyuri Lajos
These are just baby steps in the right direction
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PM
GL
13:07
Gyuri Lajos
trying to close some browser windows. Here is an expeirment in saving archiving interconnecting next some Twitter searches https://bafybeibscimwndfxp273cywafsa7pzvmezbvk46ecjn6rxmuswrxdv2whi.ipfs.inbrowser.link/?filename=possible%20(from%EF%BC%9ATrailMarks)%20-%20Search%20_%20X%20(4_27_2026%209%EF%BC%9A55%EF%BC%9A00%20AM
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ML
13:09
Photo
138×1280
After possible
13:16
dedicated to Paul Martin who is also enthused by the idea of making the impossible inevitable, that's why I am so interested in te future possible
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ML
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PM
17 May 2026
GL
14:07
Gyuri Lajos
Getting closer to closure. TrailBlazing Web Snarfing, Personal Decentralized Web Archiving Web Searches as a key affordance to augmnet the inteelctual capacity of the individual Human Being on the Web
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ML
14:12
Another beautiful example of Being on the Same Page
14:12
Hypothes.is is a key enabler of that
14:13
Next step is to add links on the margins to related (net)worked interpersonal indy.Wiki Pages over the web, everywhere, all the time, permanent, evergreen, all at once! Connecting Peoples, ideas, interests and required co-laboration and capabilities, as dynamic mutual arising threaded trsuted conversation and co-laborative spaces
14:17
Fruitful morning, time to do cooking meditation
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14:42
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
he Gyuri, i did a test with Dutch video to English on my mac - care to taka a look ? the mac sripts are included : https://bafybeifjf6gpcab4rsiiso3kqqc7simvhyietmnnuozh6rjd4k6ntge4im.ipfs.dweb.link
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hmm with vpn on it failed on my side, now its slow ( espected )
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maybe local pinned version ( ipfs noob here 🙂 )
14:48
that should work
18 May 2026
GL
08:15
Gyuri Lajos
In reply to this message
I would very much like to test. I know how difficult that is to get people to test 1's stuff. But I do not have a Mac. Windows, Linux Android.
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ML
A
13:59
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
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i tried it on a linux, but it would take weeks due to the lack of M5 processor and no GPU
GL
22:42
Gyuri Lajos
closing a few open browsers/tabs
GL
22:42
Gyuri Lajos
d
dev.indy0.net 18.05.2026 22:42:02
google search indy learning commons
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I haven't tried it but it seems it also integrates video calls
23:10
I still haven't quite given up on the indyweb version of peersuite.space. I see that the project had to pivot fo technical reasons. I assume that if the app is distributed via IPFS it would still work
23:10
Still eperimenting with that
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It does look good though
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ML
23:11
still to get to connect with the developer
21 May 2026
27 May 2026
GL
10:38
Gyuri Lajos
coming near to full cycle round and up trip, getting closer to closure, and what is being REALized, as ever, exceeds my wildest Dreams https://bafybeiadf2yvsurxeav2wxhrsrrumxzotxbik5g3gilutjrg2oogwaqhoe.ipfs.inbrowser.link/?filename=5_27_2026%2010%EF%BC%9A33%EF%BC%9A56%20AM.html
PM
10:40
Paul Martin Mooney
Real Eyes 👀
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Upps that di not work out well
28 May 2026
GL
16:07
Gyuri Lajos
Closing a lot of browser windows
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run into this
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I wonder if it loads well
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ML
A
17:27
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
yup and very quick - immediate , nearly
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but itsonly text and few pics and a link does not work (ill get my own linkedin profile :-))
GL
20:16
Gyuri Lajos
Found this gem, after 4 years, again
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ML
20:16
The author produced a lo since then
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20:20
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
🙂 cool - you are also a candidate of a local LLM wiki ? i saw something like that - yoiu collect clips and markups of webpages you make and store them local - ( obsedian i believe they used ) and a LLM indezes it and if you ask a quetion on something related it will find it for you ...
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you know this too : https://noagenda.stream/#/livestream
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all open source stuff with a podcast live and a irc chatroom connected to it ( irc )
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that is their opinion on news...
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also more journalisme on health and related on : https://thehighwire.com/watch/
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and a dutch podcast all on the same time .....
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overload of negative msgs ( probably true though ) im back to readingva book or meditating ... sorry for the news dump
29 May 2026
GL
05:32
Gyuri Lajos
thank you for sharing
A
07:47
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
o yeah , so true that a LLM is text based and code follows logic, hence a gap to helpb the LLM to over come needs a coder to guide it. Hence my need for. help on IPFS is needed to filter out the BS claude is throwing at me....
30 May 2026
GL
06:43
Gyuri Lajos
Yes our task is to bring future responsible out-tuition guided by our indy-vi-dually shared intuitions as interplan spiritual paths woven into interpersonal shared intertwingled extellect interintellect as shared spiritual trails we blaze a cross the Web woven into the evergreen IndyWeb
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ML
06:53
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My strategy is to the get the the IT right eventuqlly through practical experiments at last given the enabling constraints of a minimal workable universal autopoietic infrastructure, then ask specific coding questions via web searches, archive and interconnect the result and modify the existing system to grow IT.
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ML
06:58
Also leverage the power of LLM via archived contextualised Web searches to find ithers' work who had matching intents, learn from it at a Conceptual level first
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I would very much like to tag along to learn more about how you work
07:01
Pair programming is the best thing
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ML
A
09:07
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
i have a PoC that a dB function can run on a IPFS based platform. I used a sub domain and relay to overcome user browsers freaking out over strange links or lack of SSL cert's and so on. Damn i bowed to the beast on that one , so maybe we have to see , and work together to create an evironment where we skip more overlord stuff and still have an acceptable app anyone can use ( now the non tech user does not know its on ipfs if we dont tell them ) check it out on: https://app.reikiwereld.eu open two times in tabs and choose user nr 13 in the first and 14 in the second and request coin 🙂
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btw it running on a private linux machine - the domain is mine and the sub i created for the browser compatability
GL
09:15
Gyuri Lajos
I'm going for a class reunion today. Won't get a chance to do anything else today and may be tomorrow.
09:19
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Been working on that. Have some third time hopefully successful ideas.

Ur right that's critical. Normies running thing like malware bytes are unaware they are running a super virus
A
09:25
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
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HAVE FUN !!!!
09:28
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Lets meet and team on progessing IPFS for the Abundomy community - We need your expertise and may use your tools to enable the "normies" using this cutting edge tech solutions that will keep them more enabled ....
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ML
PM
09:28
so maybe monday ?
31 May 2026
GL
09:08
Gyuri Lajos
yes after 10 am CEST, just ping me with some notice about your availability
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A
A
09:20
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
In reply to this message
Will do, have a peaceful sunny Sunday 🙏🙏🙏
GL
13:45
Gyuri Lajos
Thank yuo, You too 🕊
21:53
When the AI gold rush started I commented on all AI videos that in this gold rush the Showell makers will go bankrupt. The time is nigh.
A
22:03
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
yup either that or what happens mostly - like Teamviewer and 1password started for free ( like AI is free compared what it in real time costs ) now they are wel paid SAAS solutions and are on F1 cars ... ( AI might go to a more realistic price and than only the dombo's who depend on it will need to pay for it ..) and it opens up the market for more "open source LLM's you run locally - i run qwe3.5 with ollama local ....
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GL
1 June 2026
GL
10:04
Gyuri Lajos
Sorry that was meant from My Saved Messages
2 June 2026
GL
12:52
Gyuri Lajos
The moment has come when something I spotted four years ago I am ready to engage with and use it as intended years ago, a non blank sheet to start scaling synthesis, salience and significance and Reach of what I've been holding for decaded. Afulcrum indeed.
The soon enough we should be able to start the real conversations around it, turn it all intoone of more named Social Self wht a perfect name I've been unsuccessfully been serching for for years
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and all this on the say to realiseco-create the adjacentpossible.social InterPlayⁿForms
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IndyApps are but InBrowser.app
4 June 2026
GL
09:44
Gyuri Lajos
Next Level Indy Web Sanrfing the Web for personal permanent distributed Web Archiving
GL
11:03
Gyuri Lajos
epyphany I've been dreaming about Saying not to signup, Sing In and realized that we must say No to Servers Toom No Servers
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or rather a local-first IPFS Server yu can run as an App on you laptop called IPFS Desktop
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12:41
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
Have to pay more attention later probably … I have had several msg that Brave bass no native IPFS support built in since a year or maybe longer. Did you know ? It explains all the vaults I got yesterday. “Out of the box” it handles IPFS worse than Safari … not logical if chromium / firefox are preferred browsers for webapps and brave needs extensions i”ll bet !?!?!!
GL
16:09
Gyuri Lajos
In reply to this message
I was the first to notice. As with everything it has the benefit of not being locked into 1% of the Browser Market. Getting people to switch browsers is an impossible ask
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It took my wife a year to make the switch
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Brave ditched IPFS 3years ago. for a year every time it asked me to rate the app I complained abut that. Actually, tey did well, because despite the support in Brave it was not really working as expectd. It was tru way of Pain. with inbrowser.link and the latest major redesign of everything at the end of last year it actually started to work, and worked in any browser!
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16:20
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
Cool and a preferred browsers is probably Chromium for me ( web dAPP ? ) busy with IPFS architect agent who is looking how to make it work without relay :-)
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And did configure a VPS through SSH with Claude code too -
Firewall hardening everything I would
Do
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GL
16:33
Gyuri Lajos
I bet that the Agent will not be able to give you what we knw is required. It is not just a technology question but an entire constellation of values deeply rooted in Human Needs. There are very good articulations about but none of them come up with the Gestalt Switch needed. At least that is my bet. There are Good candidaes around but the machine is not capable of a taking a holonic view. It has no Intuition, but the task requires OutTuition, to be openned to radically new ideas
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16:34
I join you in the search for technologies, because 1 can learn so much from others adjacent efforts
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I looked at alternatives to Peergos, there are some 40 odd. But the most important feature that Peergos has, only 1 or two actually features. If whatever you do is not local-first it will not be any good!
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This does not apply to what you are trying to do, but my core heuristics is to go for the maximal conceivable, best possible, and whittle it down, so you know whre it can grow next
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This is the first instance when I write a multi-document as it comes out and gradualy move bits out into their own bidierctionally linked pages
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ML
A
16:39
This experiment enabled me to figure out the simplest possible way it might just work!
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I know that the siplest possible is always what is required, You cannot design simplicity from top down, you have to experience what may emerge and adjust accordingly
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This is whye instance first exploratory experimentation is key to get to the point of expeiencing the adjacent possible
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I know I am a fool, but believe with Blake, tht the Fool who insistes on his folly may become Wise
PM
16:41
Paul Martin Mooney
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You are a wise man
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A wise fool perhaps?
GL
16:41
Gyuri Lajos
Not yet, just potentially
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I've been at the edge of this for a long time. I could not ive up on trying, I felt it to be so close and somany distractions and misfortune befallen us lately.
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PM
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It is not code that wins argument, but working affordances
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ML
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PM
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I do all that without hardly any coding. Just pick the right affordances and figure out how they coul be combined into a flow
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And create the constellations where little adjustments and very minimal "code" can move mountains
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It is not no code, nor low code, but code that anyone can write!
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PM
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16:46
Paul Martin Mooney
We are the code
GL
16:49
Gyuri Lajos
It is not code, ithese are practical magic spells, incantation. All you need is to figure out their True Names forming Named Intent Networks
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ML
PM
16:49
Paul Martin Mooney
We are the spells
GL
16:50
Gyuri Lajos
Yes
PM
16:50
Paul Martin Mooney
We are our own true names
GL
16:54
Gyuri Lajos
🤔
GL
17:18
Gyuri Lajos
[04/06/2026 17:13] Gyuri Lajos: http://bafybeihdvpidsq7xacwfyeiy6tukgcqzsradzhbtbyrbj3rwl75ywlskgq.ipfs.localhost:8080/
[04/06/2026 17:14] Gyuri Lajos: recursive functions of symbolic expressions are the spells
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ML
17:19
recursive function of symbolic expressions are the spells
17:19
The prectical Magic of Software
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7 June 2026
A
14:41
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
little bit small - but we are thinking the same - a personal wiki - or a store for your financial or medical docs - in my case i have claude also take a look at it - But on a quick system ( like my macbook pro M5 ) i'm gonna run Ollama local to do the AI stuff - and maybe one layer more - ask claude to ask ollama to ...
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ML
14:43
memetic activation platform old notes
8 June 2026
GL
18:17
Gyuri Lajos
ZOG Military grade Hypertext late 80
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An amazing episode, shoudl open your eyes wide open
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A tweet of mine as TrailMarks on Twitter 4 years ago that I personally archived on IPFS

https://bafybeihcb7shz3uic6borax54dbn7caifhtkxc5tpiq5vo6cmrcar3uvl4.ipfs.dweb.link/ZOG/x.com/TrailMarksonX-ZOG~military.grade.hypertext.html
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From now on I 'll save everythin I posted on Social Media that is relevant to what I do today in my personal, local first, interplanetary web archive so it will not disappear
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and be addd to the record with its own unique human meaningful Urinversal Resource Name!
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thanks to IPFS
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And that name has encoded the situated local context fo rthe saved resource
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Nextit should have a permanent link to the one tht made the resource available for conversations and mutual growth on the participants inter personal autonomous interest based socialtrust networks
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So if you wish to take control and ovwnership of the best of your own and friends contributions on social media, you can just save them in your own personal local-first personal-first interplanetary interpersonal web archive and facilitate conversations with anyone whoe encounterss you rwork anywhere anytime, and visitors can annotate ,, coment on anything you shar and engage with mutual laearning, establish turted peer to peer connections and engage in conversation that are continuous without being synchronous and contiguous with the entire neighbourhood of shared interest for autmenting human capacity for mutual learning and doing
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ML
9 June 2026
07:37
I'll be around there for fo the next three-four hours, with not much interruption, hopefully
11 June 2026
GL
08:29
Gyuri Lajos
Hosting IndyWikiWeb on Peergos instead of dweb.link inbrowser.link ipfs links
12 June 2026
GL
18:38
Gyuri Lajos
Ward Cunningham
https://www.wiki.coevolving.com/ward-cunningham.html
13 June 2026
A
20:04
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
If you want to laugh ask any AI bot a complex question about a fixed text you upload. When asking again by a different account using the same question on the same AI you probably get a different answer all the times …. It’s dumb and if you are aware, treat it like you know and don’t espect anything else:-)
GL
21:03
Gyuri Lajos
The best strategy don't engage at all
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I never had a Facebook account
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21:38
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
Hahaha well i got to be an expert in giving guardrails and became an expert in prompting - lots of tools can help you , but that is only for coding and interpreting text in my case - chatting with a bot is as 🤪 as it Sounds 🤣
16 June 2026
GL
18:54
Gyuri Lajos
Now this is a successfull experiment switching to CryptPad as Primary document Composing tool
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19:16
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
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It certainly looks like a useable tool - "we" use IPFS any way so why not store the docs also there on a safe way !
GL
19:25
Gyuri Lajos
exactly
19:26
The motto o fthe IndyWeb: We are not here to compete with, but to complete each other
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19:28
There is value in the cloud, but we need Personal and Virtual cloud as well. That can give all the benefits of the cloud, without loosing ownership, or custody of your own stuff and gain permanence and a chance to weave a network based on human trust for trust
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So we can archive an Open for colaboration CryptPad page sick it on IPFS so w can do anything we wish to do with it with functions we create
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ML
17 June 2026
GL
12:18
Gyuri Lajos
GL
Gyuri Lajos 17.06.2026 11:54:49
another thing Named Data Networks wre built into routers some 20 years ago. Of course it was sabotaged because it would have been the end of Big Tech I learned about it 5 years ago. https://bafybeihex3xbpssww62adyvf75z4gmsje6vhzqhmnim7wmcm75bp6d44u4.ipfs.dweb.link?filename=named%20data%20networking%20-%20Brave%20Search.png
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I meant to paste this link in
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Sign up to hypothes.is then I can share links to resources with you
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This one is the most important resource to understand IPFS and the Web itself
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12:18
There is another half a dozen like that.
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12:22
Gyuri Lajos
NDN is critical to the InterNet of Things. Why do things and machine has the best computer support. Why can't we have the Internet of People, an Internet created for the benefit of People First. Now that we do have the machines taht could be used to create the "People Centered InterNet"
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17:09
Gyuri Lajos
Mindgraph
18 June 2026
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18:46
Gyuri Lajos
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18:47
Ready to write the book on the indyX
18:48
Next level Peergos and more
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18:49
Dialogue 2 is the catalyst
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18:51
Paul Martin Mooney
Dialogue is the catalyst. The tool is simply an experiment. It gives us the actual specs of an incoherent group who may become coherent. Or not. Reinier will be able to build what we want without insult procreated from Grá
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18:52
Gyuri Lajos
If u get the starting point right the narrative flow can take care of itself.
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18:52
Paul Martin Mooney
Josh and co are a play group.
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18:52
Gyuri Lajos
Opens a Royal Road even to geometry
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18:52
Paul Martin Mooney
I pulled the merkaba in my deck today.
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There are no grounds for insults in the group. We’re all doing our best.
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Gyuri Lajos
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Thank you brother Paul 🙏
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19:38
Michael Lennon
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You mean "If you get the right starting inquiries"?
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20:42
Gyuri Lajos
The inquiry started 41 years ago since Sunday last I have the right starting point from where it can unfold according to its implicate order
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20 June 2026
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19:04
Gyuri Lajos
just a quick not to self. Do not expect it to be legible, salience mismatch is likely
19:07
The best thing about IPFS ist hat it allows changing your mind about things, and continually improve the structure you creat in he light of experience, refacturing and repurpusing, systematic morphic and everything else is possibly because of these features
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when you have a folder containing structured information, 2 can create a new folder anywhere based on the CID of an existing folder and assign arbitrary new name for the folder
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You are free to creat on the file intentional folder structures in any daily folder
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then take these folders and copy them in a fractal way into an enclosing folder
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So daily created intentionally transparently named folder structure can be incorporated at higher levelrs of aggregation. without changing the archived information, tht is tored in a chronolarchy Year, Month decadays (decimal names so 0x would the days of the month from 1 - 9, then 1 for days from 10 19, then 2 for 20-29 and 3 for 3031
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anything you create on a given day with intentinally named structure can be copied to the month level, so if on one day you ae adding information to n already created folder you crate a folder with name of the existing folder and add new stuff to it
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Once the day is past, you can use the created resources and add them to a higher level folder
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All you need to figure out a suitable fractal folder structure
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and thanks to IPFS you can refactor it as the need arisis
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this is not only enables backward compatibility but through IPNS 1 can have forward/future compatibility
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You can use the folder structuring that you make up as the need arisees as you go along
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test them in practice, refine them as needed. Essentially as 1 has a folder for say every month, you need only replicate any past relevant folder as needed work on it and use that as the source to upate higher level agregation
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All happening organically along with the workflows
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You will never be locked into an obsolate conception of what youneed when you need it, it can grow organically self-organizing mechanism everywhere
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AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
I want to participate - local Linux uses Kubos and VPS server also. Maybe use IPFS for storage with Nextcloud as management gui ? What I don’t know is can the service run on VPS and the IPFS storage on Linux ?
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19:23
Gyuri Lajos
fine grain mechanism for supporting scaling comprehension and reflect in the structure what you have gathered/created/worked on in a form that it is self organising and self revealing and amenable for reuse repurose shareing
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Sure. It is well documented. Not trivial but perfectly doable
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It is just a go program
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AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
As far as I understand the IPFS file system is that there is a need for the storage room local - the you over that file as IPFS format but the host keeps needing that space. Unless a lot of IPFS nodes have a copy of it ?
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19:25
Gyuri Lajos
I prefer running IPF Desktop on my own device not a VPS because I insiste on local first. Wish to be able to carry on even if I do not have internet access offline that is
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You can use good pinning services to ensure that data is always pinned retrivable
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But if you think in terms of people's networ, a network of trust you can mutualy replicate what you both have an shared interest in. So aslong as one perticipant of you team/group is online all information will be retrievable
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The idea that changes the paradigm is to think in terms ofonterpersonal networks of participants in conversations that autocale not jus reach but ultimately coherence, salience, synthesis consilience
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I wrote abou it many places
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AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
Well I found out that kobos uses 5001 port and when you fire up IPFS desktop it makes a struggle and wants to use 500q too. To be sure I know have my swarm on kubos 5002 and if a client or future participant wants to install kubos 5002 they can choose to use IPFS desktop too :)
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19:29
Gyuri Lajos
Cap theorem states that you can only two of the three partition tollerance, consitency and availability
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in a Peoplse's network all tha data is out ther interplanetary and local foris with participants, only the participants can modify they own records and shared that, mutually
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AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
Agree , “my swarm” is only changeable if you have the 64 char token ….
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And I found also out that a robot I asked reported on 3 nodes in the swarm …. I was like How … you probably know ….
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19:31
Gyuri Lajos
I've got a better security model.Only you can change the information that you hold in response to peer to peer communication from another.
19:32
They only have access to it if you explicitly transmit and the information is made part of their own information space that only they can see and modify and share with others copis that gor baked into tem verifiable and with permanece a record of the mutual interchange that produced it
21 June 2026
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AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
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certainly the best option for personal use - for a distributed app i made thsi desicion to keep it "safer"
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21:24
Bill Anderson
@gyuritrailmarker i am just catching up on all the fantastic work here. a couple of queries:
1. what tools are you using to pin and deal with IPFNs?
2. also, I think this info is in this Telegram chat, but is there a description of your work practices related to pinning files and making human readable names for distribution?

I know you have been good about explaining this, so feel free to tell me to read the Telegram chat
22 June 2026
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08:19
Gyuri Lajos
1 IPFS Desktop
08:22
Everything I wrote here is primarily aimed to help my thinking, and when the time comes I would like to be able to search automatically and recall things I wrote when I'll ready to write for others to read.
08:24
In the meantime, what I need most is to have session wherre I can show the current practice to gain feedback and through dialogue figure out the way to improve how I am able to express formulate what I am doing with a purpose of making it better formulated and more accessible.
08:37
I just came across a kindred soul's work who actually gives a vey apt name what I've been doing literally for decades. He calls it "feature fist development". I should have come up with that name myself, but doing and naming is two different things
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I'm getting close to closure on being able to show before tell
08:48
wish to institute a kind of "open hours". @ba please suggest periods that would suit you best. II will do my outmost to fit in with your time, because it is the most important thing for me, to show what I am doing so that together we can figure out communicating what it is as we improve how it works.
In a week or so when school really is out even for teacher's I will have more flexibility. Thursday is my best day when I have most flexibility. OGM hit a sweat spot. Thursday afternoon after 3pm is the best.
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I strie dto mke videos, but it always lead to so many open threads and gotcha's that it was useless. Will try again soon, as it is fa more convergent and coherent than it was earlier
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09:58
Gyuri Lajos
I'll post links to my daily work folder later
09:59
But here is what this recent exchanged triggered
10:04
This is an instance first exemplar of how IndraNet.Work Places exhibit the sweetspot of minimal workable examplars for its actual working that forms the bassis of autopoietic Adjacent Feature only Developemnt
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It is an archived content of an IndyWiki Page, which itself is an instance of an Open Universal Hyperdocument that can be the subject of arbitrary holonic morhic capabilities and interactions developed for the IndyWeb on the IndyWeb by anyone anywhere anytime, such whan it is shared it is uiniverslly available to whomsoever it is shared with
that shareing automatically edtablishes a private, trust based, revocable mutual communication chanels, all that is recorded by the parties and verifiable so thay can engae in symmathetic conversations and colaboration and in fact they can create their own named collaboratories and weve interest based autonomous social networks whre everyting is local-first with the participants unenclosable, unstopable While every individually highesolution parts of this virtual hyperdocument may be available on IPFS, the information/the connections that makes them a coherent meaningful inforamtion exchanged are only available to trusted parties
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cannot be crawled nd harversted by search enginges of AI or anything like that
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Access point to such symmathetic networks can be shared anywhere like a single page/card with links, and those links are only available through connections that are gradually developed thorugh interactions
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it is just atimetamped mind dumps
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All the intentionally meaningful structual units will be turned into their own MindGraph Dot so the page which is just a single page will just be a summar view of the associative complex of meaningfully interconnected fragments as Dots first class HTML pages on the IndyWeb
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there will be linked to the constituaent parts which get's resolved dynamically only as the readeer click on those links, and each communication channel will operate with a sharer controlled time limit before the next link request is procesed.
Envisage a mechanism rate limits the requests making it work at the speed of deep human attention and stop when no real engagements within the associated channels like annotations o group conversations does not show any real engagement
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Paul Martin Mooney
Gyuri. I can set up a zoom this Thursday at 3pm Éire time? Or do you mean 3pm your time? Does that help?
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11:29
Gyuri Lajos
Thank you Paul. I meant my time. But on that day 3pm your time, my time 2pm would be the one I would prefer, but need to check with my wife. Will let you know when I know.
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Bill Anderson
I will not be able to make a Thursday zoom this week.

in other news: i am not able to retrieve any info about this CID: bafybeieqrgbwl7u7hu6hiimbi2w6sv64p5a5ustzhk7pbuzuvntnpjvi5u
the URL provided above just opens an IPFS web page that returns a 502; using the desktop retrieval check yields "0 providers"
so, i think i will take time to refresh my understandings about how to find things on the IPFS
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18:29
Gyuri Lajos
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2 pm my time 3 pm Éire time would work, thank you
18:34
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I had in mind call on Telegram and sharing screens showing how things work. Would next Thursday be possible for you?
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Paul Martin Mooney
It’s in my calendar. 3pm Éire time. Next Thursday.
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Gyuri Lajos
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Thank you, Paul. Looking forward to it
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Paul Martin Mooney
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3639636669
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Bill Anderson
I have put UTC 14:00 on my calendar for 2 July 2026
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AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
If you will allow me I like to sit in, probably learn a lot from you Guys anyway :)
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23:15
Gyuri Lajos
CRXNG
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TUDA
23 June 2026
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Gyuri Lajos
notation.processor and language oriented programming MetaIV
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click on Visita annotation in context link on the right
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No wonder. as problems in the digital world tend to define their own solutions
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Which is a consequence of what people new 50 years ago see ZOG podcasts conluding words, where the Problem of Innovation Management was recognized back then to be a Universal Problem!!!!!!!
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In the mid 80s I came to have a tacit understanding of that, just as I realized that nobody is really facing upt to the challenge of the software Crisis, identified in 1968/9. The field brusth the problem under the blankget term and started taolking about Software Engineering, giving the impression that practicians in the field, the high priest of a low cult, have something to o with engineerign, whcih is simply not the case
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Or as Abelson in the Structure and Interpretation of /comuter programmes first lecture start's out by claiming that Compter Science is not anot computers at all, and it certainly is not a science, not even Alchemy. At least in Alchemy they had a real (though may be unreasonable hence not realizable goal} like eternal life
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Paul Martin Mooney
thank you Gyuri. The power of sacrifice to the whole, trinagulation, science advancing on chientists funeral at a time, giving up greed, beauty and non-greedy. Thank you for your mentorship.
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The transcript is about non-greedy hashing, not hashtags.

Its core principle is:

> Do not grab the first available space. Leave strategic emptiness so the whole system stays alive.

That is exactly what DAGDA does socially, economically, and spiritually.

## The shared pattern

| Non-greedy hashing | Éirúnomics DAGDA |
| ---------------------------------------------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| Greedy algorithms fill the first open slot | Conventional systems grab money, land, attention, labour |
| Clusters form and slow everything down | Power clusters into landlordism, platforms, funders, gatekeepers |
| Empty spaces act as firebreaks | Covenant, dialogue, Dúchas, Grá, and no-rent stewardship create breathing room |
| The system remains almost full but still fast | A cosmunity can become active and abundant without becoming extractive |
| It breaks the old assumption that fullness causes collapse | DAGDA breaks the assumption that scale requires greed, ownership, control, or centralisation |

## The key equivalence

Non-greedy hashing says:

> The wise system does not take every available opening.

DAGDA says:

> The wise cosmunity does not monetise every relationship.

That is the same deep architecture.

## DAGDA as non-greedy social hashing

### D — Debt-Free Mutual Trust

This prevents clustering around creditors, banks, landlords, and dependency. It keeps value moving without everything becoming debt.

### A — Ancient Wisdom

Brehon, Meitheal, Dúchas, and honour values are the cultural firebreaks. They stop the system from collapsing into pure transaction.

### G — Grá playform techgnosis

This is the intelligent routing layer. Like elastic hashing, it helps people, needs, offers, stories, and resources find each other without forcing everything into one platform.

### D — Dialogue and Cohesion

Dialogue prevents emotional and ideological clustering. It keeps the channels open before conflict becomes a traffic jam.

### A — Alterative Healing

Healing creates spaciousness inside the human system. Without that, fear fills every gap.

## The beautiful insight

The hash table breakthrough is not about emptiness as waste.

It is about emptiness as design intelligence.

That is Éirúnomics too.

A commons needs:

* unpriced space,
* unscheduled time,
* unowned gifts,
* unforced trust,
* unmonetised relationship,
* unclaimed sovereignty.

Those are not inefficiencies.

They are the firebreaks that stop greed from clustering.

## The sentence I would use

> Éirúnomics DAGDA is non-greedy hashing applied to human value: it refuses to occupy every opening with money, ownership, debt, or control, so that abundance can move through the cosmunity without collapsing into extraction.

That’s the bridge.
24 June 2026
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08:25
Gyuri Lajos
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Creative typo? Scientist

Chientist an unclaimed neologism sounds promising
08:35
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Lay no claim on that. If anyone is a mentor here that's you.
Somebody five years ago reminded me of my responsibility as an elder. Do my best to live up to that expectation.

Thank you for telling me about DADGA

The field of computing is full of claims accepted as true whose only role is to limit human potential.

Everything is wrong as Ted Nelson put it well, the one eyed man who is in the kingdom of the blinded is not a king but as Alan Kay in his tribute said is in for a rough time. I posted the link on the power of the message in the title. It is indeed beautiful.
I listened to it as another beautiful attestation to the unsupressable nature of the human spirit
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Thank you for your wisdom. My ears of understanding is open to your lips
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I have a visceral unease towards the word gnosis
prefer to retain my beginner's mind and consciously turn away from seeking to peek into deep secrets. Rather choose rather to persists in my folly and see it transmuted into soaring lifelong beautiful dreams that are in the process of constructed as REAsonable as they are REALised
08:51
Every other day I find a new phrase that renders the vision communicable and realised at a level I could not yet be able to artuculate
09:00
Concepts like Universal Problem
and Feature Only development

Contrast with feature first development where nonfunctional infrastructural architectural concerns are papered over.

Armed with the Notion of universal hyperdocument that admits scaling autopoietic coevolutionary omni optional design and construction that support multiplayer coevolution and colaboration

I can focus on inductive build out

That is to say develop features for personal local single machine use in a commons based personal first constellations
That are amenable to inductive scaling to any desired infrastructures that we build out as needed
09:04
There by decoupling totally feature app design from infrastructural concerns

Reducing the total cost to the sole function of the number of effective concepts that needed to formulate a capability and leave the cost of development of infrastructure fixed once and jist cievilve it to meet future needs
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Paul Martin Mooney
Voice message
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Gyuri Lajos
Thank you for you blessings. No typos on your mindos? is that what you said
10:59
We are set to meet at 2 'clock your timne that would be 3 o'clock my time. I tend to mix up timing, way too often
11:04
just popped up in my stream . I new when iut came out it was a disaster waiting to happen. I'm begiining to think that there is a sinister intent behind the madness, it is not stupidity, it is far more spohistecated and intellectually complex for all that
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Paul Martin Mooney
2pm my time yes. I know the sinister (left sided) intent. It is a cosmic balance as far as I know. Archons offered a guide rail to the ego to choose love over fear
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Archons are in service to monad too. Not just saklas.
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We’re all in service to monad even if we deny that reality
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Gyuri Lajos
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AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
brb
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Gyuri Lajos 24.06.2026 18:46:44
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25 June 2026
12:57
convergence to coherence.
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13:19
Paul Martin Mooney
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3639636669
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90 mins
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13:25
Gyuri Lajos
thank you. Getting ready to be ready
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AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
14:49 🙂 later !
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14:21
Gyuri Lajos
Persistence patience piety
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14:56
AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
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14:57
Gyuri Lajos
I clicked on the wrong area and browser windows launching
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Paul Martin Mooney
We’re in zoom
26 June 2026
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14:10
Paul Martin Mooney
Shall we set up another session?
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AmsterdamBoomer Patcick
i'm game , learned yesterday !\
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17:23
Gyuri Lajos
We have a heat wave so my wife a maths teacher was ordered to work from home but had no online meetings today so I we did the shopping together then cooked I only checked Telegram now.
I have a biweekly call with Ward Cunningham at Robert Best's Workplayce, yes the creator of the wiki himself, at 7. Could get ready for a short one on the hour.
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Robert has been on Open Collective with the project Open Learning Commons where Indy Learning Commons is a project there'
Dormant for years. Its time to launch a Launch Community there. Real Soon
Like AI itself Always Imminent
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Paul Martin Mooney
Let’s try during the week. Patrick and I will meet at 12noon Holland time on Tuesday. We can have an open space
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27 June 2026
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17:37
Gyuri Lajos
12 noon Holland time is perfect for me. Looking forward to it. Although I thought I have the whole weekend to ora qua labora but it will be otherwise, friends calling around at short notice and tomorrow there is an opening of a private exhibition of the paintings of an old aquaintence long standing friend of my wife of 50 plus years. Not that I complain.
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Such things still happen in Hungary!
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19:44
Michael Lennon
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I may try to join you though I have a commitment late Sunday that may affect my alertness Monday AM. 😅
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Paul Martin Mooney
Tuesday mick.
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29 June 2026
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Gyuri Lajos
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So we set to meet tomorrow 12 noon Holland Time, that is the same as in Hungary CEST if I'm correct. Presume the zoom link above will work. Michael will be joining too. Looking forward to it
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Paul Martin Mooney
Yes. See you all tomorrow
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